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    If you read any of the popular science books by Robert D. Hare, the world's leading expert on psychopaths, and creator of the Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist, the most widely used tool in criminal psychology for determining psychopathic / sociopathic traits, you will soon come to understand that no ideology based on collectivism can ever work in reality. Communism, socialism, most of leftist politics in general, is fundamentally anti-human.

    Two to four percent, depending on location, of the population, are psychopaths. Evil people will always rise to the top, while the masses no longer have the rights of individualisation to counteract.
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    (Original post by canyou)
    Capitalism doesn't work and only greedy rich boys benefit from the immoral capitalist system.
    It's immoral because humans are immoral. Every example of communism on a large scale has failed spectacularly, they have all resulted in dictatorships at best, and cruel regimes at worst. Why? Because humans, that's why. We can't harmoniously live together, hold hands and sing songs and crap, because the truth is, most people want to strive to be on top. They want the feeling of knowing that there's a chance they'll succeed, the struggle to the top, and the unfortunate pleasure of watching others fail where they have succeeded. It's literally human nature, if you impose a communist system, eventually the cream will rise to the top, and those people will seize power that everyone is unwilling to take.

    Can't fight nature comrade, sure, the fat cats get fatter, but just think of it like this, if you were handed a billion pounds tomorrow, would you still feel the same about sharing?
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    (Original post by TheWorm1234)
    Capitalism doesn't herd people into re-education camps.
    What?
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    (Original post by MPH125)
    It's immoral because humans are immoral. Every example of communism on a large scale has failed spectacularly, they have all resulted in dictatorships at best, and cruel regimes at worst. Why? Because humans, that's why. We can't harmoniously live together, hold hands and sing songs and crap, because the truth is, most people want to strive to be on top. They want the feeling of knowing that there's a chance they'll succeed, the struggle to the top, and the unfortunate pleasure of watching others fail where they have succeeded. It's literally human nature, if you impose a communist system, eventually the cream will rise to the top, and those people will seize power that everyone is unwilling to take.

    Can't fight nature comrade, sure, the fat cats get fatter, but just think of it like this, if you were handed a billion pounds tomorrow, would you still feel the same about sharing?
    You need to qualify the term 'failed spectacularly'.

    At the end of the day, humans can be taught anything. They can be taught to be selfish or selfless. Right now, humans are taught to by selfish in most aspects of life. You're confusing humans with trees.

    It sounds like you want a Hunger Games type of world where we all battle to get to the top and rule over one another. Is that what you want?
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    (Original post by saayagain)
    You need to qualify the term 'failed spectacularly'.

    At the end of the day, humans can be taught anything. They can be taught to be selfish or selfless. Right now, humans are taught to by selfish in most aspects of life. You're confusing humans with trees.
    That's not necessarily true. Human nature has been moulded by millions of years of evolution. Our survival instincts ensure we reach out for shelter, water & food in order to stay alive. Our subconscious demands as much as those as possible so in order for Communism to work, everyone would have to fight against their survival instincts.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    That's not necessarily true. Human nature has been moulded by millions of years of evolution. Our survival instincts ensure we reach out for shelter, water & food in order to stay alive. Our subconscious demands as much as those as possible so in order for Communism to work, everyone would have to fight against their survival instincts.
    Human beings aren't beasts who are slaves to their so called natural instincts or nature.

    If you want to change the way you treat your fellow human being, you can.

    If you want to stop eating food and drinking water without dying, you can't.
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    (Original post by canyou)
    I ain't surprise that someone with your dp is so hostile to the communist movement.

    Tell me posh boy- why do you hate a system that is fair for all? Is it because it doesn't allow you to exploit the poor?
    No because it exploits everyone. The problem with communism is that those at the very top have too much power
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    No because it exploits everyone. The problem with communism is that those at the very top have too much power
    How is that any different to a capitalist economic system, could easily argue, what with market manipulation, monpolisation and the limiting of basic resources it can be worse under capitalism.
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    (Original post by saayagain)
    You need to qualify the term 'failed spectacularly'.

    At the end of the day, humans can be taught anything. They can be taught to be selfish or selfless. Right now, humans are taught to by selfish in most aspects of life. You're confusing humans with trees.

    It sounds like you want a Hunger Games type of world where we all battle to get to the top and rule over one another. Is that what you want?
    No, humans aren't taught to be selfish. We all have survival instincts, we all want the best for our families and ourselves. And to reply to the Hunger Games joke, we do battle to get to the top and rule. It's in our nature, sure we don't (generally) murder for it, but our whole lives are ruled by the idea of climbing the social ladder. From the moment we are first educated, we are all encouraged to do as well as we can, that isn't for some kind of "team spirit" idea, it's because eventually, the people in your class, your year, your area, will all compete for the same jobs, houses, partners, etc. As eloquent as we try and make it look, all we are trained to do from a young age is survive in the current economic and social climate, and do the best we can from it. (For example, going to uni and getting a degree to get further ahead in the job competition, or getting a job and trying to outrank the uni students in experience, all of this is just to one-up each other). To go against that system is frankly unworkable.

    To put it simply, if communism did actually work, and no one seized power, if every job paid the same, and we all got the same outcome, despite how hard we work, then why would anyone work? Why would someone train for years as a Doctor, or as a Lawyer, just to be paid the same as someone stacking shelves. They wouldn't work, and collectively, we would fail. And that's literally the best outcome we could hope for with communism, far better than the "evil dictator grabs the reigns" story, which is equally, if not more, likely to happen.
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    (Original post by MPH125)
    No, humans aren't taught to be selfish. We all have survival instincts, we all want the best for our families and ourselves. And to reply to the Hunger Games joke, we do battle to get to the top and rule. It's in our nature, sure we don't (generally) murder for it, but our whole lives are ruled by the idea of climbing the social ladder. From the moment we are first educated, we are all encouraged to do as well as we can, that isn't for some kind of "team spirit" idea, it's because eventually, the people in your class, your year, your area, will all compete for the same jobs, houses, partners, etc. As eloquent as we try and make it look, all we are trained to do from a young age is survive in the current economic and social climate, and do the best we can from it. (For example, going to uni and getting a degree to get further ahead in the job competition, or getting a job and trying to outrank the uni students in experience, all of this is just to one-up each other). To go against that system is frankly unworkable.
    The part I highlighted in bold is the 'taught' part I am referring to.

    I want the best for everyone. You want the best for yourself and maybe your family, which is quite interesting. Why is it in your interest to help your family? It's because this society has indoctrinated you into believing that you have a moral obligation to your family. How can this not be extended to everyone...It can be. It requires people to think outside of the implicit parameters enforced in society.

    It's strange that you choose not to challenge the established order of society. You accept flimsy arguments about human nature. Why is this so?

    You have taken a individualized perspective which is understandable in the current environment...

    (Original post by MPH125)
    To put it simply, if communism did actually work, and no one seized power, if every job paid the same, and we all got the same outcome, despite how hard we work, then why would anyone work? Why would someone train for years as a Doctor, or as a Lawyer, just to be paid the same as someone stacking shelves. They wouldn't work, and collectively, we would fail. And that's literally the best outcome we could hope for with communism, far better than the "evil dictator grabs the reigns" story, which is equally, if not more, likely to happen.
    Again, an individualized perspective.

    In a collective, working hard will result in the betterment of everyone's standard of living because all the gains of that labour will be allocated to everyone, instead of what happens now where you work hard and the owner takes a proportion of the gains from your labour without earning it.

    So, collectivism = everyone works hard, everyone benefits. Capitalism = everyone works hard, the owners benefit.

    The reason why there will be Doctors and Lawyers etc is because that is what society needs and they will believe that it is their moral duty to serve society (as some professions already do).

    The reality of the world is that I need someone to build a drill, transport the drill to sea, use the drill, maintain the drill, extract oil from the ground, transport the oil, distill the oil, transport the oil to my local bus station, fill up the bus, drive the bus, build the bus, build the road for the bus, the traffic lights need to be built, maintained and controlled, plant seeds in the ground, water them, pick some wheat, clean it, transport it, package it, transport it, shelve it, sell it to me etc etc etc I could go on and on. Who has the right to determine who should be paid £1,000,000 and who should be paid £100? It that moral? Is that right? Each person is necessary and yet we treat them as **** by not giving them an equal share in the returns that they had a hand in creating. This is why people who are paid poor take up arms. They are not stupid. They can see that the person is exploiting them. This is why the owner must relieve him/herself of the means of production he/she owns so the people can fully benefit from their Labour. No more labour markets. No more minimum wage. No more trade unions. Just human beings working together to progress together.

    Your living standard is dependent on so many people doing so many things. Do you not care about those people?
 
 
 
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