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British lad to be extradited to US for hacking, this is so wrong!

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    (Original post by L i b)
    Autism spectrum disorders are not mental disorders,
    Autism spectrum disorder is a neurodevelopmental disorder and falls into the realm of psychiatry, thus can be thought of as a mental disorder.

    and of course the date of diagnosis is relevant. If you can go through fairly extensive contact with healthcare professionals without being diagnosed for something, it suggests the symptoms are pretty minor.
    It can do. Or it can suggest that the diagnostic procedures are poorly designed and the condition is poorly understood by the healthcare professionals with whom the patient came into contact. Until recently, mental health was considered a niche specialism, it's only in the last few years that it has become a regular part of the curriculum for all doctors and nurses which is incorporated into all modules (and even this varies considerably depending on the institution and country). As such, there are currently barely any senior healthcare staff outside of the field of psychiatry who can say they have a good level of expertise in it.

    I'm not sure why you'd compare a suicide smock to a straitjacket. For one, it's completely sleeveless, which is rather the defining part of a straitjacket. It is, in fact, just a quilted gown that cannot be fashioned into a noose.
    It's like a straitjacket in that it's a big label designed to convey the message: 'crazy suicidal maniac alert, do not under any circumstances treat this creature like a human being'. It's incredibly humiliating and demeaning.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

    What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
    This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.
    He has threatened the security of the United States. I do not feel sorry for him, he shouldn't have hacked into their infrastructure.
    He will now face trial in front of a US court, which is exactly what should happen.
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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    Autism spectrum disorder is a neurodevelopmental disorder and falls into the realm of psychiatry, thus can be thought of as a mental disorder.



    It can do. Or it can suggest that the diagnostic procedures are poorly designed and the condition is poorly understood by the healthcare professionals with whom the patient came into contact. Until recently, mental health was considered a niche specialism, it's only in the last few years that it has become a regular part of the curriculum for all doctors and nurses which is incorporated into all modules (and even this varies considerably depending on the institution and country). As such, there are currently barely any senior healthcare staff outside of the field of psychiatry who can say they have a good level of expertise in it.



    It's like a straitjacket in that it's a big label designed to convey the message: 'crazy suicidal maniac alert, do not under any circumstances treat this creature like a human being'. It's incredibly humiliating and demeaning.
    So would you rather give them something they can hang themselves with or not?
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Or, more accurately and less emotionally, we're complying with the terms of our extradition treaty with the United States.

    A more reasonable objection to this would be that we have yet to receive any guarantee that U.S. prosecutors will not seek the death penalty, which would arguably make the extradition unlawful under the European Convention on Human Rights.
    We do not need that assurance. There is a principle of extradition law called specialty which means they can only try him for the offences for which they have extradited him. As none of the offences for which they seek extradition carry the death penalty, we do not need any further assurance.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    We do not need that assurance. There is a principle of extradition law called specialty which means they can only try him for the offences for which they have extradited him. As none of the offences for which they seek extradition carry the death penalty, we do not need any further assurance.
    I see. Thanks for clarifying.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    A British citizen by definition could not be tried for treason against the United States of America because they owe no allegiance to the United States. A treason offence can only arise as a result of a breach of loyalty; the American law that codifies treason, Title 18 US Code, Chapter 115, provides the explicit limitation in the first sentence of the offence by saying, "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war..." etc etc.


    A British citizen owing local allegiance to the USA could commit treason against the United States. We have convicted an American owing local allegiance to the UK for treason (based on the possession of a fraudulently obtained British passport) as recently as 1946.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    So would you rather give them something they can hang themselves with or not?
    There are better ways of dealing with them.
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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    There are better ways of dealing with them.
    Like what give them something they can hang themselves with and have someone right next to them at all times?
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    He's in his 30's, we have an extradition treaty with the US and the fact he might have '''''Asperger's syndrome''''' should not be taken account of in the application of the law.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

    What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
    This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.
    This is a country that engages in extra-judicial drone strikes, bombings, regime changes, CIA-backed operations to topple governments and cause unrest, to nab people and take them to third-party safe-houses to abuse at their leisure.

    To make people disappear into Guantanamo Bay because the US has taken the slightest of dislike to them and doesn't want to have to obey human rights laws.


    America doesn't give a damn about what's right or wrong in extraditing a UK citizen for being a script-kiddy with mental problems.

    TBH It's the UK's fault. The country should know when to say no to the often unfair and one-way extradition treaty with America, and say we'll deal with the guy ourselves.
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    If he was IT savvy enough to get in he would, or at least SHOULD have known he shouldn't have tried in the first place.
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    (Original post by Luke7456)
    The vast Majority of people who do this are going to be autistic, because you have to be a genius to pull of such a thing. Now I fully acknowledge there are genius who are not autistic, Michelangelo, Richard Dawkins and Neil deGrasse Tyson. However the fact still remains the vast majority of genius are usually autistic.

    I have to be honest though and say I find it hard to have an opinion on extradition I am far to ignorant on computing and the security issues+ threats it may or may not pose to national security to have enough knowledge to make a fair judgement. I also am ignorant of the exact circumstances okay he hacked but what damage did he do or information did he retrieve, what is the potential threat posed to the United States here?

    Without those facts it is difficult to make a value judgement. Though that been said an autistic individual would be eaten alive in American Prison system. There should need to be a significant case demonstrating either a serious threat to US security or Serious damage to warrant an extradition in my opinion.

    I just do not know if there is.
    You've gotta be trolling right?
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    So tired of living my life by the law, to the book, only to hear of people who don't and then go on to be encouraged by others. Other people have autism and they don't break the law.
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    (Original post by limetang)
    You've gotta be trolling right?
    Have you read "the Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins? have you read his other books or seen his presentations? this guy is undoubtedly a genius.
    Or are you saying he is in fact autistic? I have not seen anything to suggest that perhaps you have something you could provide?

    or are we talking about Neil DeGrasse Tyson, same applies again.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

    What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
    This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.
    He has Aspergers supposedly. This is not a condition that affects knowing right from wrong.

    So I take it you expect the US or wherever to never send suspected criminals from a UK standpoint to be extradited?

    It seems he's committed crimes and has admitted to them - and using a lame Asperger's defence.
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
    This is a country that engages in extra-judicial drone strikes, bombings, regime changes, CIA-backed operations to topple governments and cause unrest, to nab people and take them to third-party safe-houses to abuse at their leisure.

    To make people disappear into Guantanamo Bay because the US has taken the slightest of dislike to them and doesn't want to have to obey human rights laws.


    America doesn't give a damn about what's right or wrong in extraditing a UK citizen for being a script-kiddy with mental problems.

    TBH It's the UK's fault. The country should know when to say no to the often unfair and one-way extradition treaty with America, and say we'll deal with the guy ourselves.
    Congrats on being uninformed.
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    Filthy spineless traitors. Sending a person whose guilty of [lets be honest] **** all to a living hell in the US where the term justice is a foreign one for them. they would never dream of extraditing any of their citizens.
    All these nasty little politicians are are a cowardly, craven degenerates who take pleasure in sailing the citizens up the creek.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

    What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
    This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.
    He has aspergers, that doesn't stop him from knowing right from wrong, it doesn't mean that he was in any way incapable of knowing what he was doing. He knew full well what he was doing, he knew full well that it was illegal and yet he still made the conscious choice to do it.

    As for your claims that his crime was committed here and not in the US, well it was and it wasn't, Of course he was physically in the UK but he was accessing computer systems and data that were stored in the US and hacking into networks of US organisations.

    Personally I say that his argument that his mental health issues are serious enough that he shouldn't be imprisoned are complete and utter ******** and that he should 100% be extradited to the US because regardless of where his physical position was he committed offences against US organisations.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    We've got an extradition treaty with the USA, so if he's committed a crime that they're the victim of them then they're perfectly entitled to do this. It's also nothing to do with the EU.

    99 years in jail for a non-violent offence by someone with aspergers is absurd though IMO.
    The aspergers argument is total crap.

    His aspergers doesn't stop him from completely understanding what he was doing, it doesn't stop him from knowing that what he was doing was illegal and it doesn't stop him making a conscious choice to do what he did.

    He knew he was breaking the law, he knew he was accessing systems that he should not have been accessing and yet he still chose to do so.

    He is now trying to hide behind his aspergers and claim that he wasn't aware of his actions. It's pathetic.
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    Britian is america's bit** so when they want something, britain must oblige.
 
 
 
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