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(Original post by 303Pharma)
Of course, because I'm trolling for **** and giggles! Isn't that obvious?
You a troll?
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I don't really like meat that much and tend to usually avoid it, but I would never consciously decide to stop eating it all together. This being said, I don't think I'll ever cook myself meat when I'm older, so I guess it's likely that I could end up being vegetarian.
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(Original post by pamplemousse.)
Interestingly, most vegetarian people around the world are actually working class people, eg in India. It's mainly in the West that there is this culture of mass consumption cheap meat, with awful conditions and poor quality.

About the anthropomorphing comment- animals are not equal to humans. I don't believe that. You don't have to believe that to not eat them. We are superior- which is why we should know better. Although I don't think animals are equal to us, and neither do you, we all assign them some feelings and moral value- which is why I imagine you agree with me animals aren't machines so we shouldn't kick them, rape them etc just cos some weird members of the population feel like it.
Actually I agree with most you say. And I hold the up-most respect for your higher morality and ethical beliefs, sincerely. As above I was veggie for several years, not just because of health reasons, but sincere moral and ethical concerns.But I came to see eating meat as a natural normal human process, and it's hard for me to be re-convinced it's some kind of evil act.
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(Original post by 303Pharma)
How do you feel when you see a wildlife documentary showing a lion ripping the throat out a young dear to feed her starving cubs? Everyone, EVERYONE, is food for someone else, even if just bacteria.
The lion can't make pasta. Or digest it. Bacteria lack the nervous system required to feel pain or distress.
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(Original post by BefuddledPenguin)
The lion can't make pasta. Or digest it. Bacteria lack the nervous system required to feel pain or distress.
Bad analogy. Of course bacteria feel stress, maybe not pain, but certainly stress. Cold, excessive heat, too much competition for environmental nutrients.

But, yeah, your point is otherwise solid.
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So if I eat meat and consume dairy, I don't care about animals?
Sorry to say but yes it does. Eating meat and consuming diary has adverse affects on the environment and planet; which are essential aspects in keeping all animal species and their food chains alive, healthy and functioning. You cannot reconcile a love for animals and eating meat, by doing the latter you are endangering the former.
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Sorry to say but yes it does. Eating meat and consuming diary has adverse affects on the environment and planet; which are essential aspects in keeping all animal species and their food chains alive, healthy and functioning. You cannot reconcile a love for animals and eating meat, by doing the latter you are endangering the former.
Oh behave! The planet has been here millions of years before us, and will still be here millions of years after us. We effect nothing.
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i would become vegetarian
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(Original post by 303Pharma)
Oh behave! The planet has been here millions of years before us, and will still be here millions of years after us. We effect nothing.
Your comment is comical, you're kidding yourself if you believe that humans don't have an adverse affect on the planet. No one is saying the planet won't be here in millions of years but at the rate we're going it won't be inhabitable for humans or animals. Scientists have determined that for almost all of history CO2 levels haven't gone past 300 ppm but since the industrial revolution it's been steadily climbing along with increased fossil fuel use from human activity such as driving cars. The CO2 in the atmosphere is around 420ppm and global temperatures are higher than they've ever been during an inter-glacial period. I don't have time for trolls...
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Sorry to say but yes it does. Eating meat and consuming diary has adverse affects on the environment and planet; which are essential aspects in keeping all animal species and their food chains alive, healthy and functioning. You cannot reconcile a love for animals and eating meat, by doing the latter you are endangering the former.
Ah okay, I didn't realise you could tell me what I feel or don't feel!
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Yes, killing animals is vile. And animal husbandry and inefficient way of producing food. Sadly it's a difficult tradition and habit to break.
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I'd give it a try
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Ah okay, I didn't realise you could tell me what I feel or don't feel!
I'm not telling anyone how they should or shouldn't feel, I'm simply presenting fact. If you choose to delude yourself so be it. The reality of your choices don't fit into the morals you hold and idea of yourself that you have. You saying you care about animals doesn't translate into you actually caring for them with your actions.
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I'm not telling anyone how they should or shouldn't feel, I'm simply presenting fact. If you choose to delude yourself so be it. The reality of your choices don't fit into the morals you hold and idea of yourself that you have. You saying you care about animals doesn't translate into you actually caring for them with your actions.
Again, I think I know how I feel about things better than you, so you just stick to your business
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(Original post by Iamangryrar)
Probably? what? You have no way of knowing that at all. If these domesticated animals weren't taking out of their natural habitat then they would have had a great chance of expanding in the wild.
The chicken you ate today was the product of artificial insemination, not only because it is more efficient for the farmers to do it that way, but also because its biological parents' ancestors were selectively bred and bred and bred for meat production to the point that they are no longer physically capable of reproduction.

Practically all domesticated animals that we eat have been bred to grow large enough to be slaughtered before they reach sexual maturity. Their legs cannot really support them in the long term and most have some sort of problem with their ability to walk in the course of their short life. Their immune system is compromised from day 1, but it's fine because their feed contains plenty of antibiotics.

If they were human, and born they way we have bred them, we would describe them as having birth defects. Since they're animals, it's just good business.

TL;DR: The animals we raise for meat today would have no chance of surviving to sexual maturity in the wild and are virtually unrecognisable as the original, wild type animal.
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Stop spreading your disgusting pro-meat propaganda.
There's nothing disgusting about it. Meat is delicious! I don't think I've ever been happier than when tucking into a huge Fillet Steak which is still dripping blood onto the plate
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There's no point in being a vegetarian if you eat diary or consume other animal products. Veganism is the only way forwards in terms of making an actual environmental impact. By eating diary or wearing leather etc. you're still contributing to the same environmental problems associated with eating meat.

I think being a vegetarian is great but would be better if it were a stepping stone to veganism.
I just became a vegetarian and I love to become a vegan one day, but it's quite difficult. I will stick to vegetarian for now but since you think that's pointless I should be better of just eating meat?
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OP, would you consider becoming Vegan? If not, why not?
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Your comment is comical, you're kidding yourself if you believe that humans don't have an adverse affect on the planet. No one is saying the planet won't be here in millions of years but at the rate we're going it won't be inhabitable for humans or animals. Scientists have determined that for almost all of history CO2 levels haven't gone past 300 ppm but since the industrial revolution it's been steadily climbing along with increased fossil fuel use from human activity such as driving cars. The CO2 in the atmosphere is around 420ppm and global temperatures are higher than they've ever been during an inter-glacial period. I don't have time for trolls...
Anthropomorphic global warming is a joke. Is global warming happening? Possibly. Is human activity causing the ice caps on Mars to melt? Of course not. There's no possible way any human activity could influence climate.It's the sun stupid. Look do a search on YouTube for 70S climate change. They were predicting an imminent ice age. Basically, climate 'science' is about as valid as Scientology or tarot card readings
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I'm probably a lot older than most posters on this site, middle aged. I went vegetarian for like 2 or 3 years in my late teens. Never been so sick. Lethargic, prone to any bugs going around, mild depression and lack of confidence. Muscle wastage, after a few good years hard strength training. No internet back then. No reasonably way to research nutrition. If you are going to go for that lifestyle you need to research and learn the subject. Or bad things happen.
I'm intrigued as to what your diet was during that period? Did you overhaul your diet, did you substitute in food items for the meat or did you keep the rest of it the same?
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