Home Secretary branded "racist" for her immigration plans.

Announcements Posted on
TSR looking different to you this week? Find out why here. 02-12-2016
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Well said. Many foreign workers are willing to live in large shared houses, two or three to a room, and so they have very low overheads and will happily take low wages. They live in very poor conditions to save money that can be sent home to their family. Corbyn's claim that they can just raise the minimum wage and enforce it is completely feeble; firstly, the minimum wage is hardly enough to raise a family and pay a mortgage. Second, even if it was widely enforced (it never is and probably can't be) the fact that you have large numbers of foreign workers who are willing to take low wages means that you have large numbers of jobs aggregating around that minimum wage in terms of their pay. It's supply and demand. So simply raising the minimum wage and enforcing it doesn't help with the fact that the minimum wage is still **** and allowing large numbers of foreign workers to flood in increases the number of jobs that will only pay minimum wage.

    So who does this benefit? It benefits big business, it benefits slum lords, it benefits the families of these people back home... but how does it benefit ordinary Britons? Theresa May in her speech after becoming First Lord of the Treasury pointed out that the group with the lowest chance of going to university are white working-class boys. I think it's time we started looking after our own first rather than constantly being expected to put the rest of the world's interests first and then being branded racist if we even consider doing something different. The days of that tactic working are over.
    Immigration should be restricted to people with a job paid above the mean salary (£27K). Currently it's £20.8K for non EU workers and the minimum wage for EU workers.

    https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-general/eligibility
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    Excellent news. Next step is to investigate the recruitment agencies that directly recruit from outside the UK for low skilled jobs
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Well said. Many foreign workers are willing to live in large shared houses, two or three to a room, and so they have very low overheads and will happily take low wages. They live in very poor conditions to save money that can be sent home to their family. Corbyn's claim that they can just raise the minimum wage and enforce it is completely feeble; firstly, the minimum wage is hardly enough to raise a family and pay a mortgage. Second, even if it was widely enforced (it never is and probably can't be) the fact that you have large numbers of foreign workers who are willing to take low wages means that you have large numbers of jobs aggregating around that minimum wage in terms of their pay. It's supply and demand. So simply raising the minimum wage and enforcing it doesn't help with the fact that the minimum wage is still **** and allowing large numbers of foreign workers to flood in increases the number of jobs that will only pay minimum wage.

    So who does this benefit? It benefits big business, it benefits slum lords, it benefits the families of these people back home... but how does it benefit ordinary Britons? Theresa May in her speech after becoming First Lord of the Treasury pointed out that the group with the lowest chance of going to university are white working-class boys. I think it's time we started looking after our own first rather than constantly being expected to put the rest of the world's interests first and then being branded racist if we even consider doing something different. The days of that tactic working are over.
    Completely 100% agree with this. It's not the just wages which have been lowered but standards too as we can see from the Sports Direct case. As with you I don't blame the immigrants at all, more the Labour government which introduced the policy. I would love those who brand certain Brits 'lazy' or 'less hardworking' and 'racist' for being against open door migration to go and see for themselves what conditions are like and try and live on the minimum wage.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Don't outsource employees from other countries unless needed due to a big skill shortage.

    British jobs should go to British workers.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by jelly1000)
    Completely 100% agree with this. It's not the just wages which have been lowered but standards too as we can see from the Sports Direct case. As with you I don't blame the immigrants at all, more the Labour government which introduced the policy. I would love those who brand certain Brits 'lazy' or 'less hardworking' and 'racist' for being against open door migration to go and see for themselves what conditions are like and try and live on the minimum wage.
    It's just ridiculous to blame the Labour government, as if there was no immigration before 1997. It has been the long-term policy of both parties to allow in significant numbers of migrants, in fact the real opening of the floodgates happened under Ted Heath, Labour used to be much more sceptical about immigration due to the downward pressure on wages that occurred.

    The tendency for many people on the kipper right simply to blame everything on Tony Blair is boring, non-factual and lacking in understanding of British political history. In fact, before the Blair government almost no asylum applications were refused whereas after the Blair government came to power they refused many thousands each year.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's just ridiculous to blame the Labour government, as if there was no immigration before 1997. It has been the long-term policy of both parties to allow in significant numbers of migrants, in fact the real opening of the floodgates happened under Ted Heath, Labour used to be much more sceptical about immigration due to the downward pressure on wages that occurred.

    The tendency for many people on the kipper right simply to blame everything on Tony Blair is boring, non-factual and lacking in understanding of British political history. In fact, before the Blair government almost no asylum applications were refused whereas after the Blair government came to power they refused many thousands each year.
    Oh of course there was immigration before 1997, I'm well aware of that, maybe its just my perception but it seems that prior to 2004 migration was far more controlled. Certainly the change in population in my London borough was steady before 2004 and then there was a noticeable change in mix. But Tony Blair allowed Britain to become party to open door migration. Tbh I also partly blame the EU too for coming up the the idea.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by jelly1000)
    Oh of course there was immigration before 1997, I'm well aware of that, maybe its just my perception but it seems that prior to 2004 migration was far more controlled. Certainly the change in population in my London borough was steady before 2004 and then there was a noticeable change in mix. But Tony Blair allowed Britain to become party to open door migration. Tbh I also partly blame the EU too for coming up the the idea.
    Tony Blair did not allow Britain to "become party to open door migration". It was the Conservatives who took Britain into the EU in the first place; Labour opposed it at the time.

    As for EU free movement, that is a part of the EU and it was whether the UK had a conservative or Labour government; both parties supported being in the EU. As for non-EU immigration, there has never been "open door"; you have never been able to simply turn up in Britain and just live here. Some might argue immigration was too high, but as you have conceded such immigration preceded Tony Blair. Focusing on the Blair years is a very superficial analysis that allows someone to avoid having to look at the actual, systemic issues that have occurred under governments of both parties for the last 50 years
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Tony Blair did not allow Britain to "become party to open door migration". It was the Conservatives who took Britain into the EU in the first place; Labour opposed it at the time.

    As for EU free movement, that is a part of the EU and it was whether the UK had a conservative or Labour government; both parties supported being in the EU. As for non-EU immigration, there has never been "open door"; you have never been able to simply turn up in Britain and just live here. Some might argue immigration was too high, but as you have conceded such immigration preceded Tony Blair. Focusing on the Blair years is a very superficial analysis that allows someone to avoid having to look at the actual, systemic issues that have occurred under governments of both parties for the last 50 years
    But when we entered the EU it was a totally different organisation to what we have now. I do agree though that a Conservative government would likely have opened the door to the Eastern European migrants in 2004. And I'm well aware about how it works with regards to non EU immigration, I think that side of things works pretty well by and large.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Looks like govt is doing a u-turn on naming and shaming ..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37600566
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I see nothing wrong with such transparency, it's upto the consumers as to whether they wish to shop at immigrant filled firms or not.

    In Norway i believe they even make your tax records public.
    Ok then. But this isn't part of an general increase in transparency. This is a policy focused on foreign workers to placate the xenophobes in this country.


    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's just ridiculous to blame the Labour government, as if there was no immigration before 1997. It has been the long-term policy of both parties to allow in significant numbers of migrants, in fact the real opening of the floodgates happened under Ted Heath, Labour used to be much more sceptical about immigration due to the downward pressure on wages that occurred.

    The tendency for many people on the kipper right simply to blame everything on Tony Blair is boring, non-factual and lacking in understanding of British political history. In fact, before the Blair government almost no asylum applications were refused whereas after the Blair government came to power they refused many thousands each year.
    Free movement of people is a very pro free market position to take. Which makes is strange to say so many right wingers, who otherwise tell us the wonders of the market, hate free movement so much.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Blimey1000)
    Looks like govt is doing a u-turn on naming and shaming ..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37600566
    Rudd never meant it - it was just one of those racist-sounding things to say at the conference to make kippers believe the Tories are on their side really.

    The focus groups and private polling must be repeatedly informing the government that there is a massive amount of race hate to be pandered to in the constituencies, which is depressing enough. How much more depressing is it that a supposedly social-minded PM like May feels it's correct to thrown bones to them like this.

    Or - even more worrying - they did mean it. :eek4:
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Rudd never meant it - it was just one of those racist-sounding things to say at the conference to make kippers believe the Tories are on their side really.

    The focus groups and private polling must be repeatedly informing the government that there is a massive amount of race hate to be pandered to in the constituencies, which is depressing enough. How much more depressing is it that a supposedly social-minded PM like May feels it's correct to thrown bones to them like this.

    Or - even more worrying - they did mean it. :eek4:
    I think they meant to name and shame, but the reactions and pressure they got, force them into a "managed retreat".

    At least they're seeing sense, this policy would have made Britain looks and feel xenophopic.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Blimey1000)
    I think they meant to name and shame, but the reactions and pressure they got, force them into a "managed retreat".

    At least they're seeing sense, this policy would have made Britain looks and feel xenophopic.
    The current Tory Party has basically become a wing of UKIP. It's a huge win for the latter, although they will now decline as a party, since there's no longer a need for them.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    I dont see anything wrong about using foreign workers. the premier league is full of it.

    btw British workers often take up jobs in europe too thanks to free movement of people.
 
 
 
Write a reply… Reply
Submit reply

Register

Thanks for posting! You just need to create an account in order to submit the post
  1. this can't be left blank
    that username has been taken, please choose another Forgotten your password?
  2. this can't be left blank
    this email is already registered. Forgotten your password?
  3. this can't be left blank

    6 characters or longer with both numbers and letters is safer

  4. this can't be left empty
    your full birthday is required
  1. Oops, you need to agree to our Ts&Cs to register
  2. Slide to join now Processing…

Updated: October 9, 2016
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Today on TSR
Poll
How are you feeling about doing A-levels?
Useful resources

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Quick reply
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.