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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The electoral college exists to prevent tyranny of the majority because it makes all states important, and stops the small states that would otherwise be overlooked in favour of the big states with lots of voters being overlooked.

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    And how does it do that any better than a fair PR system?
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    (Original post by Nadile)
    Trump is not a good example here because more people voted for Hillary. It's the system that's ****. Another problem with democracy is the fact that too many people don't vote. Personally I'd be up for a government made up of specialists instead of politicians. It's people who are educated in the areas of medicine, environment etc that should be making decisions about those things.
    Could not agree more.

    But hey, you know what a politician would say, I don't care for experts I care for the people. Hahahahahaha
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    I dont think you people who cry Racist and Islamaphobic at every possible chance to try and make your opponent look bad really understand what racism is.

    When I say I want tighter immigration controls this means for everyone. i would rather a skilled African worker or a Skilled Indian worker or someone who could support themselves over a pure white Nordic guy who is going to live off of welfare.
    This helps protect Everyone in the country, white, black, British, Indian EVERYONE that has come here Legally and is contributing to society.

    But I also support this in other countries, if I wanted to go live in Africa and it was between me and a doctor I would hope the doctor gets in first.
    If I needed state support and housing and it was between me and my family or a native family that were forced out of a war torn area in Africa, I would hope they get it.

    Controlling migration helps everyone in the country and it is needed.
    So you are not a racist, but a nationalist. Right, got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
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    Democracy is dead. It represents nothing anymore
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    Everyone. Left leaning media and journalists, politicians, the entirety of social media. Straight after Trump won one of the panelists on the BBC starting crying racism ffs.
    If you think there was no condescension during the Brexit campaigning then you frankly had your head in the sand throughout. And what facts exactly do you believe should have eased concerns over immigration?
    So you are saying people vote Trump because they are told the idea (mind you that they already have in their head) of voting Trump is racist and so they vote out of protest? Much aside from how childish that is, why don't you apply that same logic to other issues? Such as Muslim terrorism?
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    Swathes of the electorate are ****ing idiots shooting themselves in the foot left right and centre.

    The House of Lords is a good example of a bunch of old educated fogies that save us from ourselves on a number of occasions. They've made some grown up decisions in the face of the Tory's planned benefits cuts for example which were supposedly democratic decisions based on the fact we elected this government :facepalm:

    Democracy but tempered by specialists, educated people that know the implications. That's the answer.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Germany lol?

    Looooooooool you actually think AfD will ever get any power? Looooooool
    They don't need to win to be a massive **** you

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    (Original post by yudothis)
    And how does it do that any better than a fair PR system?
    Ummm, because PR in a race with only 1 seat up for grabs is FPTP and we come back to focusing on urban again

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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    Oh you mean the electoral college? That works fine. The whole point of it is to stop densely-populated states like California having a disproportionate influence on the result of the election. Had it not been in place, Killary would have won.
    So why should voters get punished just because they live in a highly populated state?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, because PR in a race with only 1 seat up for grabs is FPTP and we come back to focusing on urban again

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    Check out the German system with hanging mandates
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    They don't need to win to be a massive **** you

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    That's not what you said in the other post...
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    No, it's perfectly fine. Anything which stops lefties getting into office is wonderful.

    I don't think that the majority should decide. I think that the electors should be in place to prevent a crazy socialist like Bernie Sanders ever being elected, just in case.

    No, it's perfectly fine. Anything which stops rights getting into office is wonderful.

    I don't think that the majority should decide. I think that the electors should be in place to prevent a crazy racists like Donald Trump ever being elected, just in case.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    So you are not a racist, but a nationalist. Right, got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
    If you think that is what nationalism then you are wrong, I support legal immigrants that come here to work and contribute to society. a nationalist would say Britain only for British
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    If you think that is what nationalism then you are wrong, I support legal immigrants that come here to work and contribute to society. a nationalist would say Britain only for British
    "Nationalism is a shared group feeling in the significance of a geographical and sometimes demographic region seeking independence for its culture or ethnicity that holds that group together."

    I love how you choose your words carefully. You don't "support legal immigrants". You support foreigners that you want hand-picked that you personally think have a significant benefit to your country. You are happy to foster brain drain in other countries.
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    (Original post by intelligent con)
    After first Brexit and now a Trump vote I am starting to go off democracy. Plato believed democracy was a terrible form of government and this latest result really proves his point about the stupidy of the average voter, showing why they shouldn't be trusted to make their own decisions. Instead I'd say a benevolent dictatorship led by someone like Tony Blair would be far better for the world, at least until voters become better educated.
    So you are the "I only like democracy if everyone else is my opinion" guy. I am concerned about more about stupid people like you wanting a dictatorship than Brexit and Trump. Are you ****ing serious? Millions of people died for the right to vote and you think dictatorship is a good thing? We don't need people like you, just move to the middle east and have fun there with a dictator. These people would die for democracy you ungrateful kid.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    "Nationalism is a shared group feeling in the significance of a geographical and sometimes demographic region seeking independence for its culture or ethnicity that holds that group together."

    I love how you choose your words carefully. You don't "support legal immigrants". You support foreigners that you want hand-picked that you personally think have a significant benefit to your country. You are happy to foster brain drain in other countries.
    "Nationalism is a shared group feeling in the significance of a geographical and sometimes demographic region seeking independence for its culture or ethnicity that holds that group together."

    Nope not me, I dont care if you are French, Arabian, Chinese, Spanish, African, Swedish. as long as you come here to be a productive member of society.



    You don't "support legal immigrants". You support foreigners that you want hand-picked that you personally think have a significant benefit to your country. You are happy to foster brain drain in other countries

    I'm not saying only allowing Indian rocket scientists and African Doctors, But if people come here to live off the state benefits then they are draining EVERYONES money, black white gay woman man African chinese. Everyone in Britain suffers.
    I dont support white British people that live off of benefits without very good reasons.

    If you just let everyone in the country would be in ruins.
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    Seriously democracy is the only functioning mechanism which ensures politics can't go 100% corrupt. Don't get me wrong, politics can go corrupt under democracy, but the freedom to make decisions under a benevolent dictatorship of (what I assume to be one party with one leader) is not somewhere I would want to live in. There would be huge amounts of corruption and centralising power to one governing body is a very bad idea, especially because they are likely to act out of their own interests rather than those of the people. All dicatorships, in my opinion, have never been fruitful for the people. Furthermore, you'll find that their interests will become the national interests. And when this dictator begins acting out his own interests and pushes policies through which may begin to damage the economy and your own lives, what will you do? Issue vote of no confidence?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The original liberals were against democracy anyway. They saw it as a threat to private property.
    before public education I wouldn't blame them
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Why the **** does every Brexiter play this "you are to blame" spiel? Oh wow they are really mean to that group, I think I will vote for that group now.

    And well when the millennials have become the majority, it will be ***** like you that will see their world destroyed. I guess that is why you and everyone like you is fighting so hard, one last-ditch effort.

    Enjoy it while it lasts.
    No, it's 'you're being mean to me, I'm not going to vote for you'. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand. For a group of people who think they're the smartest people in any room, it's staggering how they keep failing to comprehend that belittling people's concerns is not a persuasive political argument.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    So you are saying people vote Trump because they are told the idea (mind you that they already have in their head) of voting Trump is racist and so they vote out of protest? Much aside from how childish that is, why don't you apply that same logic to other issues? Such as Muslim terrorism?
    I'm saying people (middle America) didn't vote Democrat because Democrats are whiny, annoying, condescending douchebags.
 
 
 
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