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    (Original post by Mr. Orange)
    Oh boo hoo, they already pay enough taxes, more of a reason to stop. At least through taxing them to the hilt, the Government is encouraging them to not smoke so the NHS isn't filled up with patients with smoking-related conditions.

    What are the other things that cause obesity? I'll give you Parder-Willy syndrome (I think that's how it's spelt), a highly rare disorder, but that's it.
    Why don't you just come and say that you'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania?
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    (Original post by poossum)
    You can pass on the HIV virus, but its not an STD- God it's not a hard concept.
    thats sophistry and very weak.

    Your defense is that HIV isnt an STD just to argue your own point.............

    admittedly the initial cause doesnt have to be sexually transmitted (blood transfusion, sharing needles) however a high percentage of communicability is due to unprotected sex ergo its classed as an STI.

    Of course if a baby with it has caught it from the mother being an intravenous drug user then having HIV is the least of its worries
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    (Original post by inksplodge)
    Ok, then all the smokers and obese people should pay for their own treatment too :yep: Hell, why doesn't everyone just pay for their own cures? (I am being completely sarcastic just in case people can't tell).
    yeah they should!
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    (Original post by numb3rb0y)
    Why don't you just come and say that you'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania?
    I'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    Thrush
    Genital warts
    herpes
    on occassion crabs

    all can be passed on despite using a condom
    That's what I was saying - even 'safe' sex doesn't necessarily prevents STDs. Although I wouldn't call thrush an STD.
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    (Original post by Mr. Orange)
    I'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania
    Yes, well, most people would rather have at least some modicum of personal freedom when it comes to their own bodies. Perhaps you could go and live a Spartan life in the wilderness and avoid dragging everyone else down to authoritarianism with you.
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    thats sophistry and very weak.

    Your defense is that HIV isnt an STD just to argue your own point.............

    admittedly its doesnt have to be an STI (blood transfusion, sharing needles) however a high percentage of communicability is due to unprotected sex ergo its an STI.

    Of course if a baby with it has caught it from the mother being an intravenous drug user then having HIV is the least of its worries
    Right I am fed up with continuously being misquoted on this.

    HIV is an STD when it is passed on during sex, as it is sexually transmitted.

    HIV isn't an STD when it is passed from mother to child, however the mum may have got it.

    There.
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    (Original post by poossum)
    Right I am fed up with continuously being misquoted on this.

    HIV is an STD when it is passed on during sex, as it is sexually transmitted.

    HIV isn't an STD when it is passed from mother to child, however the mum may have got it.

    There.
    So, since its not an STD when passed that way, you'd give treatment to the baby?

    If you don't, you're being really hypocritical.
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    (Original post by Vickyy)
    That's what I was saying - even 'safe' sex doesn't necessarily prevents STDs. Although I wouldn't call thrush an STD.
    This guy isn't saying you don't deserve treatment because you didn't use a condom. He's saying you don't deserve treatment because you have the gall to screw someone.
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    (Original post by numb3rb0y)
    Yes, well, most people would rather have at least some modicum of personal freedom when it comes to their own bodies. Perhaps you could go and live a Spartan life in the wilderness and avoid dragging everyone else down to authoritarianism with you.
    Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.
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    (Original post by poossum)
    Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.
    Bah, second attempt at cleaning my syntax.

    Assuming you don't think people should simply pile up a massive stash of cash in case they ever run into hugely expensive medical problems and you're talking about private insurance as a system, then you are simply depending on a corporation for healthcare instead. Seeing how the aim of that corporation is to make as much money off you as possible, I think it's debatable that privatising healthcare would give you complete freedom.
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    (Original post by poossum)
    Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.
    Well if it was up to me I'd do the same. I brought up freedom specifically because the Oceania-emigrant suggested that it was appropriate to have taxes on cigarettes to stop people smoking rather than to simply offset the additional cost of their healthcare as a result of smoking-related illnesses. That's borderline social engineering.
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    (Original post by kultist)
    You'd rather have a system where corporate bureaucrats try to make sure you have as hard a time as possible trying to get healthcare so that they have to pay out less money to people, with your precious freedom to starve as the alternative?
    This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.
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    (Original post by serrellen)
    This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.
    Screw you, I'll use the syntax that I damn well want.

    But seriously, it reads a little oddly I must admit, I'll go back and edit it.
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    (Original post by serrellen)
    This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.
    A common problem when one is reading socialist rhetoric :P
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    I suppose it is in some cases, your own fault for getting an STD, but condoms split, people aren't honest, people shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare for that. And like other people have said, it's like someone doing adventurous sports having to pay for their healthcare 'cause it's their own fault, well maybe when someone is pregnant and in labour they should pay for their healthcare too, presuming they intentionally got pregnant, how dare they!
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    (Original post by serrellen)
    This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.
    I second that, I maybe unintelligent according to your measures, but at least I can construct a coherent sentence.
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    (Original post by kultist)
    But seriously, it reads a little oddly I must admit, I'll go back and edit it.
    Nope, still unintelligible. I'm struggling to find your point,
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    (Original post by poossum)
    Yeh, why would you stop using them unless you wanted a baby.
    troll
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    (Original post by poossum)
    I second that, I maybe unintelligent according to your measures, but at least I can construct a coherent sentence.
    I went back over and cleared that post up. Are you willing to clear the blatant idiocy out of your many posts?
 
 
 
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