If you get STDs, it is your own fault

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Mr. Orange

Oh boo hoo, they already pay enough taxes, more of a reason to stop. At least through taxing them to the hilt, the Government is encouraging them to not smoke so the NHS isn't filled up with patients with smoking-related conditions.

What are the other things that cause obesity? I'll give you Parder-Willy syndrome (I think that's how it's spelt), a highly rare disorder, but that's it.

Why don't you just come and say that you'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania?

Reply 81

silverbolt

poossum

You can pass on the HIV virus, but its not an STD- God it's not a hard concept.

thats sophistry and very weak.

Your defense is that HIV isnt an STD just to argue your own point.............

admittedly the initial cause doesnt have to be sexually transmitted (blood transfusion, sharing needles) however a high percentage of communicability is due to unprotected sex ergo its classed as an STI.

Of course if a baby with it has caught it from the mother being an intravenous drug user then having HIV is the least of its worries

Reply 82

cowsgoquack

inksplodge

Ok, then all the smokers and obese people should pay for their own treatment too :yep:

Hell, why doesn't everyone just pay for their own cures? :biggrin:

(I am being completely sarcastic just in case people can't tell).

yeah they should!

Reply 83

Mr. Orange

numb3rb0y

Why don't you just come and say that you'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania?

I'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania

Reply 84

Vickyy

silverbolt

Thrush
Genital warts
herpes
on occassion crabs

all can be passed on despite using a condom

That's what I was saying - even 'safe' sex doesn't necessarily prevents STDs. Although I wouldn't call thrush an STD.

Reply 85

numb3rb0y

Mr. Orange

I'd rather be living in 1980s Oceania

Yes, well, most people would rather have at least some modicum of personal freedom when it comes to their own bodies. Perhaps you could go and live a Spartan life in the wilderness and avoid dragging everyone else down to authoritarianism with you.

Reply 86

poossum

silverbolt

thats sophistry and very weak.

Your defense is that HIV isnt an STD just to argue your own point.............

admittedly its doesnt have to be an STI (blood transfusion, sharing needles) however a high percentage of communicability is due to unprotected sex ergo its an STI.

Of course if a baby with it has caught it from the mother being an intravenous drug user then having HIV is the least of its worries

Right I am fed up with continuously being misquoted on this.

HIV is an STD when it is passed on during sex, as it is sexually transmitted.

HIV isn't an STD when it is passed from mother to child, however the mum may have got it.

There.

Reply 87

*Star*Guitar*

poossum

So, since its not an STD when passed that way, you'd give treatment to the baby?

If you don't, you're being really hypocritical.

Reply 88

kultist

Vickyy

That's what I was saying - even 'safe' sex doesn't necessarily prevents STDs. Although I wouldn't call thrush an STD.

This guy isn't saying you don't deserve treatment because you didn't use a condom. He's saying you don't deserve treatment because you have the gall to screw someone.

Reply 89

poossum

numb3rb0y

Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.

Reply 90

kultist

poossum

Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.

Bah, second attempt at cleaning my syntax.

Assuming you don't think people should simply pile up a massive stash of cash in case they ever run into hugely expensive medical problems and you're talking about private insurance as a system, then you are simply depending on a corporation for healthcare instead. Seeing how the aim of that corporation is to make as much money off you as possible, I think it's debatable that privatising healthcare would give you complete freedom.

Reply 91

numb3rb0y

poossum

Surely freedom is not having to depend on the state for healthcare? If it was up to be, no taxes on cigarettes, but then no healthcare. Then there is complete freedom.

Well if it was up to me I'd do the same. I brought up freedom specifically because the Oceania-emigrant suggested that it was appropriate to have taxes on cigarettes to stop people smoking rather than to simply offset the additional cost of their healthcare as a result of smoking-related illnesses. That's borderline social engineering.

Reply 92

serrellen

kultist

You'd rather have a system where corporate bureaucrats try to make sure you have as hard a time as possible trying to get healthcare so that they have to pay out less money to people, with your precious freedom to starve as the alternative?

This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.

Reply 93

kultist

serrellen

This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.

Screw you, I'll use the syntax that I damn well want.

But seriously, it reads a little oddly I must admit, I'll go back and edit it.

Reply 94

numb3rb0y

serrellen

This makes no sense at all. I read it through several times and it makes NO sense at all.

A common problem when one is reading socialist rhetoric :P

Reply 95

foundintransmission

I suppose it is in some cases, your own fault for getting an STD, but condoms split, people aren't honest, people shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare for that. And like other people have said, it's like someone doing adventurous sports having to pay for their healthcare 'cause it's their own fault, well maybe when someone is pregnant and in labour they should pay for their healthcare too, presuming they intentionally got pregnant, how dare they!