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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    I care about the style. If you're talking about grinding out qualification or a cup then fair enough, but it just seem pointless playing a dull style so you can make the Semi's once.
    I'd rather win 1-0 than lose 5-4 :dontknow:

    Parking the bus can sometimes make for an intriguing game
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    (Original post by Excuse Me!)
    Baines is 'fawned' over in exactly the same way Lallana is. And all the players you listed are surrounded by other world class players. Gerrard has Suarez to assist to, Lallana has Rodriguez.

    Lallana has consistently performed with players of less quality around him.
    Baines has 5 goals and 4 assists for a fullback and is easily the best attacking left sided fullback in the premier league. There is a difference here.

    Rodriguez has done very well tbf, he's not some random dirt player. He gets double figures from a wide forward position, that cannot be underestimated.

    Gerrard has Suarez, but if you look at his playing style, he is the heartbeat of that midfield, along with Henderson. He releases the players early and that helps liverpool with their quick counter attacking style. If we played like Liverpool did, counter attacking 4-3-3 that releases the forward players quickly that attacks into space, we'll be looking better than we did today, even though Honduras parked bus the tempo was still too slow for my liking, especially in the first half.

    (Original post by Fizzel)
    I care about the style. If you're talking about grinding out qualification or a cup then fair enough, but it just seem pointless playing a dull style so you can make the Semi's once.
    I agree, I care about the style if you're not going to win playing a less aesthetically pleasing style of football.

    I've noticed that when you put the youngsters in they play with less fear. I like Barkley but tbh I can see why he has such a low goal and assist rate for the role he plays, his final pass isn't the greatest and he likes to shoot from range a lot, his driving is great to see but if he doesn't do much else with it he's going to struggle to assert himself. He is definitely not ready to start in this world cup. I'd personally only play him against Costa Rica, or use him as a sub when we're lacking drive vs Italy/Uruguay as he's a more direct goal threat than Wilshere.
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    stevie looking abit like alonso in thiss interview
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    ****, England are going to lose me 20 quid of Saturday at this rate.


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    Didn't watch after the stoppage for the storm. Did we create anything?
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    Didn't watch after the stoppage for the storm. Did we create anything?
    Nope.
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Nope.
    Should have guessed. Thanks.
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    "Our chief football writer Phil McNulty has picked Danny Welbeck as his man of the match"

    Would love to know which game he was watching....
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    McNulty is a potato.
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    Whole match stank of a pre WC friendly to be honest. Honduras parking the bus meant that it was tight around the box and nobody was quite willing to stick the foot in that would actually break through that line. It will be different in the tournament, but we haven't actually found out in this match whether we have the capability to actually create that final bit of quality. I think we'll fare better against a team with something to play for...as long as we don't fall behind.

    We were also crying out for a winger, with a bit of pace, who'll stay wide too.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Baines has 5 goals and 4 assists for a fullback and is easily the best attacking left sided fullback in the premier league. There is a difference here.

    Rodriguez has done very well tbf, he's not some random dirt player. He gets double figures from a wide forward position, that cannot be underestimated.

    Gerrard has Suarez, but if you look at his playing style, he is the heartbeat of that midfield, along with Henderson. He releases the players early and that helps liverpool with their quick counter attacking style. If we played like Liverpool did, counter attacking 4-3-3 that releases the forward players quickly that attacks into space, we'll be looking better than we did today, even though Honduras parked bus the tempo was still too slow for my liking, especially in the first half.
    Baines is definitely good but he cant change the game around in the same way a Lallana or a Sturridge could.

    Rodriguez I agree with, id have had him in the squad tbh rather than welbeck.

    Perhaps I should give Gerrard more credit but hes notorious for poor international tournaments.

    I don't mind the older players but the younger ones give us a faster tempo and also a slight element of surprise as Italy wont be completely prepared having never faced some of our young players before.

    I think England have a good chance though. Italy and Uruquay are both beatable. We're lucky to be playing Italy first on the back of their poor form. Uruquay have a strong attack but if we can stop that I cant see why we cant win. And then Costa Rica we should beat.

    Maybe im too optimistic but I could honestly see England getting to the semi finals if everything goes right.
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    England captain Steven Gerrard: "I don't understand the referee when the ball is being kicked into a player's chest. That should have been a straight red card and with ten men it could have been different."

    But....it was 10 men only slightly later there was no difference... :facepalm2:
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    England fans are still backing that pack of 11 tampons on the field. England stand NO chance. Wake up and have a tug.


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    Yeah it was a tedious game against a team that could do nothing but defend and foul us in any way they could, and yes we were a bit clueless at times, but I don't know why people get so worked up about meaningless warm-up games every time, judge them on the games that matter, not the pointless friendlies.
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    I'd rather win 1-0 than lose 5-4 :dontknow:

    Parking the bus can sometimes make for an intriguing game
    Yeah but when you don't win it just seems crap. We aren't going to win the WC or the Euro's, we have got the team, so the journey matters. When we look back on the tournament, we didn't win it so the way the team played and the moments created and important.

    (Original post by jam278)
    I've noticed that when you put the youngsters in they play with less fear. I like Barkley but tbh I can see why he has such a low goal and assist rate for the role he plays, his final pass isn't the greatest and he likes to shoot from range a lot, his driving is great to see but if he doesn't do much else with it he's going to struggle to assert himself. He is definitely not ready to start in this world cup. I'd personally only play him against Costa Rica, or use him as a sub when we're lacking drive vs Italy/Uruguay as he's a more direct goal threat than Wilshere.
    Yeah, I was disappointed how he faded tonight. That is the risk of playing him there, he's a bit young and the 10 is a position which you need a 90 mins shift from. I think Barkley is just young, poor decisions to be expected as his age. As you said before Lallana could provide a good option other than Rooney he's a bit more experienced, and we need someone who is going to put in a really shift on Pirlo; but I still think we saw the value of having a direct runner today, so perhaps Sterling wide now Ox is out. Welbeck isn't going to do that kind of stuff. I really though Wilshere was terrible in the middle today, looked a bit more like himself when he got forward and got his head up, still got a pass, but he was pretty terrible in the middle third doing the bread and butter stuff.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    England captain Steven Gerrard: "I don't understand the referee when the ball is being kicked into a player's chest. That should have been a straight red card and with ten men it could have been different."

    But....it was 10 men only slightly later there was no difference... :facepalm2:
    i'm sure 9 men could have made a difference.
    but there's no excuse really.

    honduras barely attacked all game; england had more or less 90 minutes to score against a "meh" team and they couldn't do it.
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    (Original post by Excuse Me!)
    Baines is definitely good but he cant change the game around in the same way a Lallana or a Sturridge could.

    Rodriguez I agree with, id have had him in the squad tbh rather than welbeck.

    Perhaps I should give Gerrard more credit but hes notorious for poor international tournaments.

    I don't mind the older players but the younger ones give us a faster tempo and also a slight element of surprise as Italy wont be completely prepared having never faced some of our young players before.

    I think England have a good chance though. Italy and Uruquay are both beatable. We're lucky to be playing Italy first on the back of their poor form. Uruquay have a strong attack but if we can stop that I cant see why we cant win. And then Costa Rica we should beat.

    Maybe im too optimistic but I could honestly see England getting to the semi finals if everything goes right.
    That's because Baines is a left back...

    Rodriguez is injured....

    Gerrard was in the team of the tournament for the last international competition...

    Clueless status confirmed
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Yeah but when you don't win it just seems crap. We aren't going to win the WC or the Euro's, we have got the team, so the journey matters. When we look back on the tournament, we didn't win it so the way the team played and the moments created and important.
    I've never even seen us a reach a semi, so if the defensive football doesn't win the whole thing for us but gets us to the semis, I'll take that
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    That's because Baines is a left back...

    Rodriguez is injured....

    Gerrard was in the team of the tournament for the last international competition...

    Clueless status confirmed
    I was making a point on why baines isn't englands most important player...

    If you'd read the rest of the discussion you'd understand the context...

    I'd need proof to believe that...

    Ignorance status confirmed
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    Beckham must have the largest most-homeless-looking:money ratio in the world.
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    (Original post by Excuse Me!)
    I was making a point on why baines isn't englands most important player...

    If you'd read the rest of the discussion you'd understand the context...

    I'd need proof to believe that...

    Ignorance status confirmed
    http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/me...d=1838241.html
 
 
 
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