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    (Original post by Zander01)
    Until society ceases to expect men to pay for most things (dates, meals, drinks, expensive gifts etc) only then both sexes should have the same amount of disposable income.

    Obviously we're talking within the context of a man and a women having the same job on the same level of the hierarchy. Of course if someone is better or works harder they should be rewarded for it.


    I'm so happy that you actually had a logical explanation to the fairly bizarre statement
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    (Original post by Zander01)


    Ahh, making a wild assumption before actually asking for the reasoning behind such an opinion. Either you're not very intelligent or you're quite bitter?

    To be fair, there are quite a few male chauvinistic people on here.
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    (Original post by binarythoughts)
    I'm so happy that you actually had a logical explanation to the fairly bizarre statement
    I'm glad you patiently asked for my reasoning before jumping right in with accusations!


    (Original post by binarythoughts)
    To be fair, there are quite a few male chauvinistic people on here.
    Ahh true, I probably should have explained in my op in hindsight.
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    There should be no faith schools
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    (Original post by davidx2)
    There should be no faith schools
    I sort of get where you're coming from but some faith schools really aren't that religious at all

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    (Original post by Zander01)
    Until society ceases to expect men to pay for most things (dates, meals, drinks, expensive gifts etc) only then both sexes should have the same amount of disposable income.

    Obviously we're talking within the context of a man and a women having the same job on the same level of the hierarchy. Of course if someone is better or works harder they should be rewarded for it.







    Ahh, making a wild assumption before actually asking for the reasoning behind such an opinion. Either you're not very intelligent or you're quite bitter?
    Nope your "reasoning" only confirmed you didn't have a logical answer. As you believe women should be pain less on the assumption that all women don't pay their fair share (or more) for dates or relationships. That's ridiculous. Your silly policy would treat many women unfairly, myself including as I paid for everything in my last relationship. Also how on earth can society move on and stop expecting men to pay for things if you are giving them more money? Again not logical.

    Edit: And that isn't even including same sex relationships.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)

    Edit: And that isn't even including same sex relationships.
    Who the hell pays the bill?? :crazy:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Who the hell pays the bill?? :panic:
    Well not the women that's for sure in lesbian relationships because Zander thinks all women should be paid less because of assumptions :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Well not the women that's for sure in lesbian relationships because Zander thinks all women should be paid less because of assumptions :rolleyes:
    You got ninja replying skillz. :ninja:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You got ninja replying skillz. :ninja:
    I should be doing work
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    I should be doing work
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Nope your "reasoning" only confirmed you didn't have a logical answer. As you believe women should be pain less on the assumption that all women don't pay their fair share (or more) for dates or relationships. That's ridiculous. Your silly policy would treat many women unfairly, myself including as I paid for everything in my last relationship. Also how on earth can society move on and stop expecting men to pay for things if you are giving them more money? Again not logical.

    Edit: And that isn't even including same sex relationships.
    So it turns out you're delusional as well? Funny how you're sounding a lot like the MRA's with the 'Not all of us are like that' defense.

    Meanwhile, in the real world you have surveys which show most people expect men to not only pay for dates but a whole array of additional expenses. http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finan...roles-couples/

    Then you have idiots like this:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmajohn...mine-feminism/

    http://www.bustle.com/articles/22935...ct-guys-to-pay

    And your last point is complete nonsense too considering there has been progress in the way of income disparities within the past few decades but expectations for men to pay are still the same. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this to convince me.

    As for your same sex question, from what I've heard many gay couples either split bills or take alternated turns. Maybe due to the expectations we discussed earlier not being present to the same degree?
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    (Original post by Zander01)
    So it turns out you're delusional as well? Funny how you're sounding a lot like the MRA's with the 'Not all of us are like that' defense.

    Meanwhile, in the real world you have surveys which show most people expect men to not only pay for dates but a whole array of additional expenses. http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finan...roles-couples/

    Then you have idiots like this:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmajohn...mine-feminism/

    http://www.bustle.com/articles/22935...ct-guys-to-pay

    And your last point is complete nonsense too considering there has been progress in the way of income disparities within the past few decades but expectations for men to pay are still the same. You're going to have to try a lot harder than this to convince me.

    As for your same sex question, from what I've heard many gay couples either split bills or take alternated turns. Maybe due to the expectations we discussed earlier not being present to the same degree?
    You seem to have completely ignored the fact it would punish people completely innocent of this assumption of yours.

    You also completely ignored the fact it would impact of females in same sex relationships, who would both be paid less than their male counterparts purely because they are women.

    If you don't want to pay for everything in a relationship I suggest you stop doing so instead of punishing all women because you're bitter that your ex was a bit of a princess, okay? Great.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    You seem to have completely ignored the fact it would punish people completely innocent of this assumption of yours.

    You also completely ignored the fact it would impact of females in same sex relationships, who would both be paid less than their male counterparts purely because they are women.

    If you don't want to pay for everything in a relationship I suggest you stop doing so instead of punishing all women because you're bitter that your ex was a bit of a princess, okay? Great.
    Not really considering my 'assumption' actually has nothing to do with the real reasons why salary gaps exist. I wasn't expressing a desire for change that would punish or reward anyone, but simply making a point that as things stand now it is theoretically fair that men are being paid slightly more if they have to spend more?

    Again, it wouldn't impact on anyone because It's an excuse, not an idea to actually be implemented. However it's interesting you bring up lesbian couples because they actually get paid more than straight women too: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/j...paid-more.html
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    Child benefit should be scrapped. If you can't afford them; don't have them.

    If you have them when you can't afford to support them then you are committing a form of child abuse and authorities should intervene.
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    (Original post by TheTruthTeller)
    In my view if the state is paying to essentially help raise your child, then it kind of does have a "right" to have a say as the tax payer is like a third parent in some situations. I disagree with the last part of your argument. It's not "dicounting" life. I'll put it to you this way. Lets say a woman is pregant during a drought in a country with a low quality of life. Would you advise her to abort the child, for it to not be bought up into a world of suffering due to its unfortuante circumstances that it could not control or would you let it be born as all life is "holy" and deserves equality? I know the first option is the most ostensible.
    The state doesn't love and nurture children though, does it? State benefits rely on the parent first claiming them and then spending them on the children. Some proud parents don't even claim benefits they're eligible for. The state is in no way your 'parent', it is a body of government. If you advise someone to get an abortion, you are discounting the life of the child. Even if, like you say, it's for the "greater good". That's not an argument. I understand your point that sometimes children are born into unfortunate circumstances, and there's high infant mortality and poor quality of life, but it is ultimately the parent's decision. I think it's important to educate a population about abortion and the use of birth control, but I don't think that you should try to influence people's decisions on these things. Let people be individuals and make up their own minds.
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    Hang on now, does raising a child not cost money anymore? When did that happen... Last I checked raising a child is actually one of the most costly things a couple can decide to do. Google "average cost raising a child UK" and tell me the figures you see aren't staggering.

    Please. Tell me how you plan to raise your child solely on "human compassion", on the streets in a cardboard box?
    I'm not saying it doesn't cost money. But have you googled "average cost of raising a child in India"? Some great people come from impoverished and disadvantaged backgrounds. You can't look at someone's salary and decide whether or not you think it's appropriate that they should bear children. What sort of human does that make you? Caring and loving your child is miles more important than feeding it caviar, I mean, look at these rich kids who can't cope with the real world once they have to live life outside of daddy's wallet. Sometimes, coming from a bad background can propel you forwards in life.
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    (Original post by katinthehat)
    I'm not saying it doesn't cost money. But have you googled "average cost of raising a child in India"? Some great people come from impoverished and disadvantaged backgrounds. You can't look at someone's salary and decide whether or not you think it's appropriate that they should bear children. What sort of human does that make you? Caring and loving your child is miles more important than feeding it caviar, I mean, look at these rich kids who can't cope with the real world once they have to live life outside of daddy's wallet. Sometimes, coming from a bad background can propel you forwards in life.
    But on the flip side, a lot of people only have one or two children because that's all they can afford. Meanwhile, there are people who have children after children because they know the state will pay for them. And then whinge when they have to find work.:rolleyes:
 
 
 
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