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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Or HAMAS could try to do a rocket inside a rocket to fool the system. Like a cluster missile of some sorts...
    That wouldn't work, ID would still destroy it. Counter ballistic missiles go up next to the target missile and then blow up, taking both of them out.


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    But even now, the system is not foolproof.
    No system is.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That wouldn't work, ID would still destroy it. Counter ballistic missiles go up next to the target missile and then blow up, taking both of them out.
    I meant probably seconds before the interceptor hit, the low altitude housing missile would release like 4-5 mini missiles. By that time, it would be be too late send another couple of interceptors...

    No system is.
    But if that report is true, then there is all this unexploded ordnance just sitting around. Maybe HAMAS should add a timer delay given the fact that the warheads do not explode...
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    (Original post by mazhal)
    Think they need to be gassed before they are given the chance
    Well, this was doing the rounds the other day or so:

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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Well, this was doing the rounds the other day or so:

    Inb4deletedforbeing"offensive"

    In other news: Israel is ignoring the ceasefire that the UNSC is calling for, not just the Palestinians then
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Inb4deletedforbeing"offensive"
    It's news so they can't just delete it.

    In other news: Israel is ignoring the ceasefire that the UNSC is calling for, not just the Palestinians then
    It's a pity Turkey and Qatar didn't put a deadline on the ceasefire proposal. I guess they don't play as dirty as the Israeli's...
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    I guess for the same reason the UK isn't - despite invading Iraq (a country which never attacked the UK) and invading Afghanistan (a country which never attacked the UK)

    At least Israel fights enemies that attack it. Unlike the UK

    Still, just another troll thread.
    Why is this a troll thread? Really don't understand, also where's your source for Israel being the attacked because I could say Hamas only attack in retaliation to the spellings.


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    Because by definition being a state excludes something from being a terrorist
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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    Why is this a troll thread? Really don't understand, also where's your source for Israel being the attacked because I could say Hamas only attack in retaliation to the spellings.


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    Independent observers (including the Egyptians) admit that Hamas broke the ceasefire first, they have themselves and only themselves to blame
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Independent observers (including the Egyptians) admit that Hamas broke the ceasefire first, they have themselves and only themselves to blame
    That's for a whole other argument. I'm simply asking why, when Israel shell civilians in their masses, it is the right to defend themselves but Hamas sending home-made rockets is regarded as a threat?

    Also I take issue with your last point, and it is not Hamas being blamed, it is civilians. Regardless of whether Hamas were right or not why should Israel be allowed to blob neighbourhoods killing hundreds to punish an organisation whom statistically a fair population may not be empathetic to, with the shillings then driving those people to the side of Hamas as heroes?


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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    The dictionary definition of terror is "the use of extreme fear to intimidate people". The definition of a terrorist is using "violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims". Israel comfortably satisfies this criteria get nobody ever called them terrorists. Why?


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    Because they are quick to claim terrorism on others, and would like to be known as a victim state without explaining why Palestinians/Hama's have resorted to such extremes to have their voices heard.

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    Independent observers (including the Egyptians) admit that Hamas broke the ceasefire first, they have themselves and only themselves to blame
    The Egyptian authorities are one of the least credible sources in the region after they toppled a democratically elected president and put in place a military General as a dictator #TimeTravelIsPossible

    Both sides blame each other for breaking the ceasefire, but a short term break in "war" will not help the situation, until nations come together to condemn both sides and finally broker a peace treaty, finally enforcing the internationally recognised borders, help to rebuild infrastructure, stop the building of settlements, and finally recognise that the Gaza strip has been reduced to an open air prison, and dare I say it, concentration camp.
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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    That's for a whole other argument. I'm simply asking why, when Israel shell civilians in their masses, it is the right to defend themselves but Hamas sending home-made rockets is regarded as a threat?
    Firstly Israel does try to avoid civilians, I do accept civilians are killed and it is really terrible, but if it wasn't for Hamas hiding their weapons in the civilian areas and telling people to stay a be a human shield, far fewer (if any at all) civilians would die.

    Equally you can't say Israel is morally worse by the simple fact of them using more powerful sophisticated weaponry, I don't understand why people think that Hamas using less dangerous rockets than Israel makes them a more benevolent force than Israel.

    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    Also I take issue with your last point, and it is not Hamas being blamed, it is civilians. Regardless of whether Hamas were right or not why should Israel be allowed to blob neighbourhoods killing hundreds to punish an organisation whom statistically a fair population may not be empathetic to, with the shillings then driving those people to the side of Hamas as heroes?


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    This is true actually, Hamas is not the Palestinian people and the Palestinian people are not Hamas, which is why Israel does need to make every effort it can to kill Hamas militants and only Hamas militants.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Firstly Israel does try to avoid civilians, I do accept civilians are killed and it is really terrible, but if it wasn't for Hamas hiding their weapons in the civilian areas and telling people to stay a be a human shield, far fewer (if any at all) civilians would die.

    Equally you can't say Israel is morally worse by the simple fact of them using more powerful sophisticated weaponry, I don't understand why people think that Hamas using less dangerous rockets than Israel makes them a more benevolent force than Israel.



    This is true actually, Hamas is not the Palestinian people and the Palestinian people are not Hamas, which is why Israel does need to make every effort it can to kill Hamas militants and only Hamas militants.
    The problem is that Israel do target civilians. It's well known that they aren't aiming for Hamas, they are aiming for schools and mosques and hospitals. They want to see dead children and women mourning babies loss and fathers hopeless faces as they look around unable to protect their families. This is what they want, they want to see the pain and the blood and they want Gaza to become a mass graveyard. They are sick individuals.

    That is something that's morally debatable, similar to a fight between a pensioner and a professional boxer, if the pensioner hits out is it morally acceptable for the boxer to then haymaker the old man in the jaw? These situations aren't even comparable because it's equivalent to the boxer going into the care home where the pensioner lives and beating up old ladies and killing the nurses- basically targeting those who had nothing to do with what previously happened.

    Israel is a sick nation. Don't let them poison your mind.


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    ya hamas the resistance

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    (Original post by getfunky!)
    Because they are quick to claim terrorism on others, and would like to be known as a victim state without explaining why Palestinians/Hama's have resorted to such extremes to have their voices heard.
    Anyone (doesn't have to be Palestinian or even Muslim) who uses suicide bombings and home made rockets to attack a state, is a terrorist a state is not a terrorist. Just because the Palestinian militant groups are violent, doesn't mean they are justified and it doesn't mean that Israel much have done something to make them violent, a lot of it is religious extremism and ethnic nationalism.

    In fact as a side note, I would love Palestine to exist as a country, because the moment Hamas attacks Israel it would not be terrorists attacking a sovereign nation, but rather a declaration of war and Israel would have be totally justified in fighting back as if it were a true war.


    (Original post by getfunky!)
    The Egyptian authorities are one of the least credible sources in the region after they toppled a democratically elected president and put in place a military General as a dictator #TimeTravelIsPossible

    Both sides blame each other for breaking the ceasefire, but a short term break in "war" will not help the situation, until nations come together to condemn both sides and finally broker a peace treaty, finally enforcing the internationally recognised borders, help to rebuild infrastructure, stop the building of settlements, and finally recognise that the Gaza strip has been reduced to an open air prison, and dare I say it, concentration camp.
    Firstly cut the crap about concentration camps, anyone who has lived in an actual concentration camp, would trade positions and go live as a Palestinian in Gaza in a second, it's incredibly offensive.


    Now Ok I do agree with much of this, but there are no settlements in Gaza, Ariel Sharon's government took them down on the condition that Hamas would not use Gaza as a launchpad for rocket fire (perhaps he made a mistake, it doesn't look as if the Palestinians fulfilled their side of the agreement). Then I expect you to say, well what about the blockade on Gaza, well like I said Hamas consistently failed to uphold their side of the bargain in not firing rockets into Israel, so Israel rather than reoccupying Gaza, now tries to prevent all weapons and munitions entering via blockade. Officially Israel has no claim to Gaza, at all, no settlements, nothing so it has no reason to even try to occupy Gaza unless Hamas is using it for terrorist activity.
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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    The problem is that Israel do target civilians. It's well known that they aren't aiming for Hamas, they are aiming for schools and mosques and hospitals. They want to see dead children and women mourning babies loss and fathers hopeless faces as they look around unable to protect their families. This is what they want, they want to see the pain and the blood and they want Gaza to become a mass graveyard. They are sick individuals.
    This is not true. Israel sends in Arab speaking agents to tell civilians to leave, it has pioneered shells which explode in the air above the target to warn people and scare them out. In fact it has no reason to kill the Palestinians, it doesn't benefit Israel in any way.

    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    That is something that's morally debatable, similar to a fight between a pensioner and a professional boxer, if the pensioner hits out is it morally acceptable for the boxer to then haymaker the old man in the jaw? These situations aren't even comparable because it's equivalent to the boxer going into the care home where the pensioner lives and beating up old ladies and killing the nurses- basically targeting those who had nothing to do with what previously happened.

    Israel is a sick nation. Don't let them poison your mind.


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    Yes it is. If the pensioner hit the boxer first, then the boxer has total moral justification to lay the smackdown on the pugnacious old wrinkly and that's exactly what the IPC is like, a scruffy little band of terrorists who are actually pretty weak, targeting a more powerful neighbour, getting their asses kicked, them going off crying to the world media about their victimhood.
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    (Original post by Rlove95)
    Why are people celebrating the death of these soldiers like this is a football match and their side has just scored a goal? No death should be celebrated regardless of whatever side they are from. This is why this conflict will never end, because people desensitize themselves, they start viewing the conflict as some sort of game, cheering on whatever side they feel is justified forgetting that these are lives we are talking about, human beings who have families, friends, memories and ambitions just like the Palestinians who have also tragically lost their lives in this hopeless conflict. You should be calling for peace not for more bloodshed.
    How about some Sderot style cinema? Popcorn at the ready, let's watch some Arabs getting killed!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5582032.html
    When a CNN reporter was filming that, she was threatened that the crew car would be destroyed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5598866.html

    Now, imagine if an international media person was threatened by Palestinians ? World leaders would fall over themselves to condemn them, she would be called a hero for calling them scum and celebrated instead of being banished to Moscow.
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    Please can we establish that Israel target civilians before further discussion please. Thank you.


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    (Original post by AutVinceriAutMori)
    How about some Sderot style cinema? Popcorn at the ready, let's watch some Arabs getting killed!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5582032.html
    When a CNN reporter was filming that, she was threatened that the crew car would be destroyed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5598866.html
    'palestinians' celebrating rocket fire.

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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Because by definition being a state excludes something from being a terrorist
    No it doesn't. Terror is "violence that is committed by a person, group, or government in order to frighten people and achieve a political goal". According to Merriam-Webster anyway.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Independent observers (including the Egyptians) admit that Hamas broke the ceasefire first, they have themselves and only themselves to blame
    Which ceasefire are we talking about here?
 
 
 
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