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    (Original post by SocialistIC)
    No it doesn't. Terror is "violence that is committed by a person, group, or government in order to frighten people and achieve a political goal". According to Merriam-Webster anyway.
    You can't really use dictionary definitions to answer this sort of thing or else this country is a terrorist for forcing people to pay taxes
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Which ceasefire are we talking about here?
    The ceasefire brokered after the Palestinian and Israel teens were murdered and they started firing at each other
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    'palestinians' celebrating rocket fire.

    What is your source? I have looked the subject up in google, for the sake of fairness, and most sources that report this happening are very very pro-Israeli. How about something more credible?
    I also wonder how they have time to celebrate given that they all either fight for Hamas, infiltrate tunnels or stay in their homes because Hamas tells them to.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    You can't really use dictionary definitions to answer this sort of thing or else this country is a terrorist for forcing people to pay taxes
    Maybe you're right. I just worry how language is used to make violence committed by non-government groups sound worse than violence carried out by a government when being in a position of power is no justification for the use of violence, if anything it makes it worse.
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    (Original post by AutVinceriAutMori)
    What is your source? I have looked the subject up in google, for the sake of fairness, and most sources that report this happening are very very pro-Israeli. How about something more credible?
    I also wonder how they have time to celebrate given that they all either fight for Hamas, infiltrate tunnels or stay in their homes because Hamas tells them to.
    Yeah, because the 'palestinians' are not known for celebrating atrocities LOL

    They're out in the streets every time they kill or kidnap a Jew.

    I've provided a video which is from Hebron.

    I'm not playing this game where I post a vid and each time your response is to say "prove it"
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    (Original post by SocialistIC)
    Maybe you're right. I just worry how language is used to make violence committed by non-government groups sound worse than violence carried out by a government when being in a position of power is no justification for the use of violence, if anything it makes it worse.
    Just to make it clear, I am not someone who thinks that tax is theft etc, I just picked that example because of your username

    To be honest I doubt calling them terrorist makes them sound worse than using words like militant. I think a lot of people actually slightly think that anyone described as a "terrorist" by a Western power (not that people should think of Israel as being part of the West - even though they do), must be an innocent freedom-fighter
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    The ceasefire brokered after the Palestinian and Israel teens were murdered and they started firing at each other
    Could you be more specific and give me a date?
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Could you be more specific and give me a date?
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...321412364.html

    4 days ago, only lasted 5 hours
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Yeah, because the 'palestinians' are not known for celebrating atrocities LOL

    They're out in the streets every time they kill or kidnap a Jew.

    I've provided a video which is from Hebron.

    I'm not playing this game where I post a vid and each time your response is to say "prove it"
    No, you are posting evidence from a biased source with a a clear conflict of interest, and make sweeping accusations not supported by any credible evidence, you deny the existence of a nation recognised by UN (like the same UN that recognises Israel, so you can't cherry pick when to appreciate UN and when not to)

    Regards,
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...321412364.html

    4 days ago, only lasted 5 hours
    How can someone "break a ceasefire" if there is no ceasefire agreement in place?

    Israel unilaterally decided to observe the heavily biased Egyptian brokered ceasefire. It cannot complain if HAMAS has not chosen to not take up the offer of agreeing to a ceasefire.

    I've noticed on more than one occasion, on this topic, that you post erroneous information and you seriously need to fix up and start portraying the situation as it is because you are only brainwashing yourself and other Zionist propagandists...
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Independent observers (including the Egyptians) admit that Hamas broke the ceasefire first, they have themselves and only themselves to blame
    Hamas claim they were never consulted in the ceasefire so you can't really expect them to honour a deal in which they had no part in.
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    Israel are now bombing hospitals:

    "Israeli tank shell hits the third floor of Al-Aqsa hospital in the central Gaza Strip, killing four people and wounding 16, Gaza Health Ministry says. A spokesman for the ministry says the third floor houses an intensive care unit and operating rooms. Other shells had fallen around the hospital, he says, with officials calling on the Red Cross to help evacuate patients. According to the report, all the casualties are medical personnel and patients.
    It was also reported that ambulances were called in to evacuate the wounded to the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, but were fired upon by IDF troops, damaging two vehicles, the spokesman said. The IDF does not allow emergency teams to evacuate wounded with prior coordination through the Red Cross – a process which can take hours. (Jack Khoury, Amira Hass)"
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    How can someone "break a ceasefire" if there is no ceasefire agreement in place?

    Israel unilaterally decided to observe the heavily biased Egyptian brokered ceasefire. It cannot complain if HAMAS has not chosen to not take up the offer of agreeing to a ceasefire.

    I've noticed on more than one occasion, on this topic, that you post erroneous information and you seriously need to fix up and start portraying the situation as it is because you are only brainwashing yourself and other Zionist propagandists...
    No the ceasefire was already in place, the one from Egypt was just a proposal, read down the page rather than just the title
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Hamas claim they were never consulted in the ceasefire so you can't really expect them to honour a deal in which they had no part in.
    To be completely blunt, if they want to fight Israel they should be allowed to do so, they just shouldn't complain when they get totally obliterated
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    To be completely blunt, if they want to fight Israel they should be allowed to do so, they just shouldn't complain when they get totally obliterated
    Well now you're talking about something else completely (and ignoring my response to your initial statement).
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    Egyptian-brokered ceasefire:

    Accepted by Israel
    Backed by the Arab league
    Backed by Ban Ki Moon at the UN
    Backed by the Palestinian authority

    Rejected by Hamas.
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Well now you're talking about something else completely (and ignoring my response to your initial statement).
    Do you have source showing how Hamas were not happy with the initial ceasefire (not the Egyptian one) I mean it seems weird that would be upset, if they truly are the victims
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    No the ceasefire was already in place, the one from Egypt was just a proposal, read down the page rather than just the title
    I did, there's nothing about HAMAS breaking any ceasefire of any sort. Go read it yourself...
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Do you have source showing how Hamas were not happy with the initial ceasefire (not the Egyptian one) I mean it seems weird that would be upset, if they truly are the victims
    I didn't say they weren't happy with it, just that they weren't consulted in the drafting of the ceasefire (and thus the ceasefire wasn't worth the paper it was written on).

    http://www.kare11.com/video/36759824...n-failed-truce

    There are other sources and it's been widely reported.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I did, there's nothing about HAMAS breaking any ceasefire of any sort. Go read it yourself...
    A five-hour humanitarian truce has ended in the Gaza Strip, amid reports that Israel was considering a wider ceasefire proposed by Egypt.

    The UN-brokered humanitarian truce ended at 12pm GMT on Thursday with two reported infractions - three mortar bombs landed in Israel while Israeli tank fire was reported in Rafah.
 
 
 
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