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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    Please can we establish that Israel target civilians before further discussion please. Thank you.


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    Okay

    But civilians = hamas militants
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    I didn't say they weren't happy with it, just that they weren't consulted in the drafting of the ceasefire (and thus the ceasefire wasn't worth the paper it was written on).

    http://www.kare11.com/video/36759824...n-failed-truce

    There are other sources and it's been widely reported.
    That was the Egyptian one, not the UN one

    The Egyptian one was never even put into place
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Just to make it clear, I am not someone who thinks that tax is theft etc, I just picked that example because of your username

    To be honest I doubt calling them terrorist makes them sound worse than using words like militant. I think a lot of people actually slightly think that anyone described as a "terrorist" by a Western power (not that people should think of Israel as being part of the West - even though they do), must be an innocent freedom-fighter
    My username constantly confuses people - I maybe should have used the name AnarchistIC instead. My ideal system wouldn't have taxes or government - just a level playing field brought about by social ownership of the means of production and the removal of any unjustifiable hierarchy.

    Israel, geographically speaking, obviously isn't part of the West but they're very much linked to and allied with western governments. For example, the majority of the US aid budget goes to Israel despite the fact it's a relatively rich country.

    I disagree - I think "terrorist" is a term used by media and government, almost exclusively, to refer to Islamic Extremism. Lee Rigby's murderers are known (correctly, don't get me wrong) as terrorists but the word isn't used about David Copeland (in fact I'd be surprised if you've even heard of him), a white nationalist who killed people in London with nail bombs. I suppose some people might have a bit of sympathy for terrorists but it's "supposed" to be used exclusively about our main enemies. At the moment, it's extremist Muslims and before that it was the Irish.
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    (Original post by SocialistIC)
    My username constantly confuses people - I maybe should have used the name AnarchistIC instead. My ideal system wouldn't have taxes or government - just a level playing field brought about by social ownership of the means of production and the removal of any unjustifiable hierarchy.

    Israel, geographically speaking, obviously isn't part of the West but they're very much linked to and allied with western governments. For example, the majority of the US aid budget goes to Israel despite the fact it's a relatively rich country.

    I disagree - I think "terrorist" is a term used by media and government, almost exclusively, to refer to Islamic Extremism. Lee Rigby's murderers are known (correctly, don't get me wrong) as terrorists but the word isn't used about David Copeland (in fact I'd be surprised if you've even heard of him), a white nationalist who killed people in London with nail bombs. I suppose some people might have a bit of sympathy for terrorists but it's "supposed" to be used exclusively about our main enemies. At the moment, it's extremist Muslims and before that it was the Irish.
    I have heard of Copeland and I am not the greatest fan of these neo-Nazi types tbh, although Copeland was clearly mentally ill

    I mean Breivik is (quite rightly) regarded as a terrorist, the Tamil Tigers were also regarded as terrorists - although I slightly think they had a point.

    In terms of aid, it's an open secret that it's soft power, America gives Israel money not because of AIPAC (the Democrats and AIPAC are not good friends at all) but because of all the Middle Eastern countries, Israel is the least likely to have a coup where all the pro-American politicians end up getting executed and that means they are a better potential friend than many of the other nations. Israel could quite easily have been one of Russia's buddies like Belarus or Assad's Syria is today.
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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    Okay

    But civilians = hamas militants
    Not sure if srs or dumb :confused:


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    I think the real question is, why is the IDF never labelled a terrorist force?
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    (Original post by SocialistIC)
    For example, the majority of the US aid budget goes to Israel despite the fact it's a relatively rich country.
    What?

    What kind of a claim is that?

    Afghanistan alone gets $12b

    Iraq, Jordan & Pakistan get around $4b combined

    Israel gets about $3b
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    (Original post by themorninglight)
    I think the real question is, why is the IDF never labelled a terrorist force?
    Because despite the bigoted opinion of some about Israel, around 20 times more people have died in neighbouring Syria in 3 years, as have died on both sides of Israel/Pal combined in 47 years.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    A five-hour humanitarian truce has ended in the Gaza Strip, amid reports that Israel was considering a wider ceasefire proposed by Egypt.

    The UN-brokered humanitarian truce ended at 12pm GMT on Thursday with two reported infractions - three mortar bombs landed in Israel while Israeli tank fire was reported in Rafah.
    It seemed as if it was ended by mutual agreement, no?
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Right and you appear to of just regurgitated stuff you have read here and there.

    Israel has every right to protect its nation from terrorists.
    Incorrect. I condemn Hamas and believe they should not fire rockets on Israeli towns. That's common sense.

    However there are hundreds of dead civilians as the result of Israeli rocket fire. That is the bottom line and to attempt to justify the extent of the carnage is ridiculous and shameful.

    When you invest $15 billion dollars in your defence forces and still can't target a rag tag bunch of terrorists without blowing up kids playing on a beach the international community ought to ask very serious questions.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    It seemed as if it was ended by mutual agreement, no?
    If you can find a source other than CNN proving that Israel fired first I'll give you £20
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Egyptian-brokered ceasefire:

    Accepted by Israel
    Backed by the Arab league
    Backed by Ban Ki Moon at the UN
    Backed by the Palestinian authority

    Rejected by Hamas.
    Hamas weren't consulted in the drafting on the ceasefire.

    Are Israel going to open their nuclear plants to IAEA inspection and ratify the NPT any time soon?

    (Original post by Chindits)
    Because despite the bigoted opinion of some about Israel, around 20 times more people have died in neighbouring Syria in 3 years, as have died on both sides of Israel/Pal combined in 47 years.
    That doesn't answer the question at all.

    Mentioning a worse conflict does not excuse Israel of its war crimes or it breaking international law.
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)
    Doubting that.

    But hey, terrorists and their sympathizers(such as yourself ) have your moments I guess.




    Hes some delusional Islamaphobe lol. Wouldn't expect much more from him.
    It's either Islamophobia are anti-Arab racism. Wonder how he feels about secular Arabs, or Palestinian Christians?
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Hamas weren't consulted in the drafting on the ceasefire.

    Are Israel going to open their nuclear plants to IAEA inspection and ratify the NPT any time soon?


    That doesn't answer the question at all.

    Mentioning a worse conflict does not excuse Israel of its war crimes or it breaking international law.
    Much of what israel has done is not breaking international war. Striking against military targets is completely legal regardless of how many civilians are near it.
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    (Original post by DK_Tipp)
    Incorrect. I condemn Hamas and believe they should not fire rockets on Israeli towns. That's common sense.

    However there are hundreds of dead civilians as the result of Israeli rocket fire. That is the bottom line and to attempt to justify the extent of the carnage is ridiculous and shameful.

    When you invest $15 billion dollars in your defence forces and still can't target a rag tag bunch of terrorists without blowing up kids playing on a beach the international community ought to ask very serious questions.
    lol they buy most their weapons from the international community. Causalities are very common for any war zone (im totally against them too) but if they didnt want a war maybe the cowards should stop hiding behind women and children?

    Just because Israel is successful and hard working and can afford the military expenditure to protect its citizens (iron dome) does not mean it should tolerate their barbaric behaviour.
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Hamas weren't consulted in the drafting on the ceasefire.
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    It's amazing how many people are willing to take the word of an internationally proscribed terrorist group, over the Arab league, Egyptians, Ban Ki Moon and even the PA.

    I'm sorry, I can't help you.

    The fact that the terrorist leader sitting in his hotel in Qatar has said today that "the time for talks is no ripe yet" would further indicate who is culpable.

    Hamas have also broken all the humanitarian ceasefires.

    Still, some people are intent on being their cheerleaders.


    That doesn't answer the question at all.

    Mentioning a worse conflict does not excuse Israel of its war crimes or it breaking international law.

    It puts the conflict and casualties in context.

    More Kurdish civilians have been killed by Turkey than 'palestinians' by Israel

    Your NATO partner.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    If you can find a source other than CNN proving that Israel fired first I'll give you £20
    Given the fact that the news agency you quoted did not state which party broke it first, your statement is debunked and you owe now owe me £20.

    I accept cheques and IOU's if you are really desperate for cash...
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    Hamas are the only terrorists who cannot even keep a truce!?

    Animals.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Because by definition being a state excludes something from being a terrorist
    The actions of a state can lead them to be labelled as a terrorist state. - - Israel killing children playing football in the beach in Gaza is an act of terrorism, as is the constant oppression against innocent Palestinians. Checkpoints, home evictions etc etc. Because of this, it is justified for Israel to be labelled a Terrorist state.
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    (Original post by james22)
    Much of what israel has done is not breaking international war. Striking against military targets is completely legal regardless of how many civilians are near it.
    Much of what Israel has done when is not breaking international law? If killing children playing football on a beach isn't a war crime in breach of international law then frankly I don't know what is.
 
 
 
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