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    (Original post by alabelle)
    Thanks, you've both made me feel much better! All the people I've worked with have been lovely so far so I'm sure they'll give me a good reference, it's a great school. I just feel so grateful about being allowed to volunteer that I daren't ask them for anything else! Haha.
    I felt the same way after my placement! My uni reference isn't replying so I need to choose someone else, it is so hard as nobody else really knows me. I'm sure you will always get a good reference unless you have been particularly awful in any way!
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    Anyone applying for pgce secondary english???
    Cant believe only a week left!!
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    (Original post by Ar1234)
    Anyone applying for pgce secondary english???
    Cant believe only a week left!!
    6 days
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    I've sorted my references but I have a feeling my academic one is gonna take his time doing it when stuff opens :/ it's annoying - I just want to get it sent off!

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    For those about to ask for references, and worried that people will take ages, just be cheeky! I said to both of my referees, "I'd appreciate it very much if the reference was completed by the 21st as places are very competitive". So fingers crossed that that works!
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    Hi all,

    I'm having a bit of a reference conundrum and I'd appreciate some words of wisdom.

    I'm applying to do a PGCE in Secondary History and basically I'm in two minds as to who to ask for my non-academic reference. Do I ask the head of the History Dept at the secondary school where I did my observations or the year 6 teacher at the primary school where I did likewise.

    I realise this seems like a no brainer at first glance but hear me out. So although a reference from the head of history in a secondary is far more relevant, the placement was literally just observations from which you can only learn so much. For whatever reason, she was more reluctant to let me get involved in lessons and so in that way the placement was somewhat limited. Also since my placement, the school tragically burnt down. As a result I imagine things are a bit chaotic for her at the moment and probably the last thing on her list of priorities is writing me a reference!

    On the other hand the placement in a year 6 class at a primary was much more hands on. I was essentially a volunteer TA for three weeks. The teacher and I got on really well and he even asked me to stay on a week longer than first agreed. So I'm confident he would give me a really great reference, but obviously less relevant.

    So my question is, which do I go for? More relevant, but potentially a more average reference or less relevant and a glowing reference?

    P.S. I'm aware that in both cases it would involve me asking the teacher to write the reference and then have it signed off by the head.

    Thanks in advance

    Dan
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    Does anyone know if applications will open at 9am, or later in the day? I only have a half day leave to take from work and I'm wondering whether to take it morning or afternoon in order to get my application submitted ASAP.

    Thanks!
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    (Original post by dan92pne)
    Hi all,

    I'm having a bit of a reference conundrum and I'd appreciate some words of wisdom.

    I'm applying to do a PGCE in Secondary History and basically I'm in two minds as to who to ask for my non-academic reference. Do I ask the head of the History Dept at the secondary school where I did my observations or the year 6 teacher at the primary school where I did likewise.

    I realise this seems like a no brainer at first glance but hear me out. So although a reference from the head of history in a secondary is far more relevant, the placement was literally just observations from which you can only learn so much. For whatever reason, she was more reluctant to let me get involved in lessons and so in that way the placement was somewhat limited. Also since my placement, the school tragically burnt down. As a result I imagine things are a bit chaotic for her at the moment and probably the last thing on her list of priorities is writing me a reference!

    On the other hand the placement in a year 6 class at a primary was much more hands on. I was essentially a volunteer TA for three weeks. The teacher and I got on really well and he even asked me to stay on a week longer than first agreed. So I'm confident he would give me a really great reference, but obviously less relevant.

    So my question is, which do I go for? More relevant, but potentially a more average reference or less relevant and a glowing reference?

    P.S. I'm aware that in both cases it would involve me asking the teacher to write the reference and then have it signed off by the head.

    Thanks in advance

    Dan
    School burnt down + pne in username = we must have done some work exp in the same school.

    Anyway, I felt like you with asking them. They said I could go back whenever I wanted but with the school burning down of course I never asked them and also was reluctant to ask for a reference because of how chaotic things will be and stuff.

    Someone else might want to back me up though, but I think you are better asking the secondary school. I didn't participate much either but it helps if the reference is relevant to what you're applying for. I think so at least. I know the situation I hard asking them, but I think the worst is over so you should be okay. If I hadn't asked my other school I would have had to ask. I'm sure they understand.
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    Guys I am having a slight problem - my non-academic reference is the Head of English at the school I observed at - he actually asked to be a referee so I know he would be great, but does this collide with UCAS's regulations of it having to be from a Headteacher?

    Thanks
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    I'm getting a bit worried about my non- academic reference. The teacher I have done the majority of my work experience/volunteering with has gone on maternity leave and the headteacher has recently changed so the new one doesn't even know me. Do you think I would be best still getting a reference from the school (my placement there is ongoing) or from my manager at work (I work with children and young people so not totally unrelated)?
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    (Original post by dan92pne)
    Hi all,

    I'm having a bit of a reference conundrum and I'd appreciate some words of wisdom.

    I'm applying to do a PGCE in Secondary History and basically I'm in two minds as to who to ask for my non-academic reference. Do I ask the head of the History Dept at the secondary school where I did my observations or the year 6 teacher at the primary school where I did likewise.

    I realise this seems like a no brainer at first glance but hear me out. So although a reference from the head of history in a secondary is far more relevant, the placement was literally just observations from which you can only learn so much. For whatever reason, she was more reluctant to let me get involved in lessons and so in that way the placement was somewhat limited. Also since my placement, the school tragically burnt down. As a result I imagine things are a bit chaotic for her at the moment and probably the last thing on her list of priorities is writing me a reference!

    On the other hand the placement in a year 6 class at a primary was much more hands on. I was essentially a volunteer TA for three weeks. The teacher and I got on really well and he even asked me to stay on a week longer than first agreed. So I'm confident he would give me a really great reference, but obviously less relevant.

    So my question is, which do I go for? More relevant, but potentially a more average reference or less relevant and a glowing reference?

    P.S. I'm aware that in both cases it would involve me asking the teacher to write the reference and then have it signed off by the head.

    Thanks in advance

    Dan
    I'd go secondary too. Even though I'm sure you had a wonderful experience in the primary school and that the reference would be excellent, it doesn't actually demonstrate that you've had any experience of Secondary History lessons. Which at the end of the day is what you're applying for. History is so competitive I wouldn't risk giving them any reason whatsoever to reject your application.
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    Does anyone know whether referees get to see what unis you've applied for?


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    (Original post by claired33)
    Does anyone know if applications will open at 9am, or later in the day? I only have a half day leave to take from work and I'm wondering whether to take it morning or afternoon in order to get my application submitted ASAP.

    Thanks!
    From memory the system opened about half 10 last year but kept crashing and re opened the next day. So to be honest I wouldn't expect to get anything done on the 21st, especially in the morning!
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    (Original post by Esmeralda4)
    I'm getting a bit worried about my non- academic reference. The teacher I have done the majority of my work experience/volunteering with has gone on maternity leave and the headteacher has recently changed so the new one doesn't even know me. Do you think I would be best still getting a reference from the school (my placement there is ongoing) or from my manager at work (I work with children and young people so not totally unrelated)?
    I guess if you just asked them they might be able to still give you one especially if your placement is ongoing. I do think your job would be better but then gaining a reference from a school may be preferred and kind of proves that you've done work experience etc.


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    (Original post by Descartes93)
    Guys I am having a slight problem - my non-academic reference is the Head of English at the school I observed at - he actually asked to be a referee so I know he would be great, but does this collide with UCAS's regulations of it having to be from a Headteacher?

    Thanks
    Judging from a post above, where a user commented about what they were told by UCAS, it seems the regulation is actually UCAS acting on behalf of unis.

    The poster said they were told by UCAS to check with unis whether it's acceptable. Which to me implies that UCAS don't care what you do as long as the uni is happy with it. Of course I could be wrong, and the person at UCAS giving that advice could be wrong. But if the uni said it's fine that would be my main concern.

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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    Judging from a post above, where a user commented about what they were told by UCAS, it seems the regulation is actually UCAS acting on behalf of unis.

    The poster said they were told by UCAS to check with unis whether it's acceptable. Which to me implies that UCAS don't care what you do as long as the uni is happy with it. Of course I could be wrong, and the person at UCAS giving that advice could be wrong. But if the uni said it's fine that would be my main concern.

    xxx
    Thank you for your reply and help. Just to be on the safe side I emailed my teacher and asked if he could get the headteacher to sign it and he agreed! BIG sigh of relief!! I'm getting so nervous now...especially after hearing the horror stories on how UCAS almost always crashes!!!
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    (Original post by Descartes93)
    Thank you for your reply and help. Just to be on the safe side I emailed my teacher and asked if he could get the headteacher to sign it and he agreed! BIG sigh of relief!! I'm getting so nervous now...especially after hearing the horror stories on how UCAS almost always crashes!!!

    If it helps keep you calm I didn't even apply until a week or two after it opened (did my PGCE last year) and I got on! Obviously there are changes which may increase demand this year, and it's always best to get it done ASAP. But as long as you have it ready for the day then editing the statement/entering the info shouldn't delay you too much. And panicking certainly won't help anyway!

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    (Original post by Shelly_x)
    The UCAS course search shows the unis that are running the course this year. There is a link to it a fee posts back. If you've already decided where you want to apply then that's fine. You don't need to get worried about it.
    Aww..shelly..u r an angel.. Muuaaah...yeah I've decided and chosen my 3uni options... So I think I don't need to look..unless n until I might have to do it for Apply 2.
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    If I apply for early years primary, would it limit me from teaching key stage 2 or is it just like a special focus on EYFS and ks1? So I'd still be able to apply for any primary year group job? Or would it mean starting teaching within those age range EYFS and ks1 and then once I've had proper work experience as a qualified teacher , being able to move up to ks2? I think the highest Id want to go up would be year 3 or 4..


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    (Original post by wildrover)
    I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't any Universities within a reasonable commute of my home that are offering the PGCE this year. It means I'm going to have to live away form home again and may decrease my chances of getting a job in the future. Does anyone know if PGCE students are generally allowed in halls?
    Usually unis have specific halls for postgraduates. Especially the bigger ones.
 
 
 
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