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    I am considering voting for TSR Labour in the General Election because I am fed up of the Conservatives attacking their middle class core voters. What measures will you take to protect the middle class in the UK? Do you support the child benefit cuts?
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    I am considering voting for TSR Labour in the General Election because I am fed up of the Conservatives attacking their middle class core voters. What measures will you take to protect the middle class in the UK? Do you support the child benefit cuts?
    Hilarious.

    But that aside, I shall answer the question directly. Do I support the cut in child benefit for wealthier house holds? Yes, I absolutely do. Do I support the way the real life government is doing it? No I absolutely do not.

    I do not think that benefits should be available to those in society who are wealthy. Benefits should be for the poorer in society and should always operate in the most simplistic, efficient and cheapest manner.

    For the middle class I would like to see tax cuts; and not this ridiculous marriage break Cameron proposed. I did, however, support the transferable allowance proposal between married couples.
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    im just asking them questions too, but I think that all benefits should be universal, we all pay taxes, we should all have access to the benefits of what we pay them for.

    I hope they answer my University queries, I am hesitant to join any party that does not support free University education
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Hilarious.

    But that aside, I shall answer the question directly. Do I support the cut in child benefit for wealthier house holds? Yes, I absolutely do. Do I support the way the real life government is doing it? No I absolutely do not.

    I do not think that benefits should be available to those in society who are wealthy. Benefits should be for the poorer in society and should always operate in the most simplistic, efficient and cheapest manner.

    For the middle class I would like to see tax cuts; and not this ridiculous marriage break Cameron proposed. I did, however, support the transferable allowance proposal between married couples.
    My Dad earns within the region of £80k per year and my Mum is a housewife. We will lose our child benefits. However, if my Dad was on £40k per year and my Mum was employed on £40k per year, then we would not lose our child benefits.

    How is this fair at all? We can survive without child benefits and I am sure we don't mind giving it up to help reduce the deficit. All I am saying is that these cuts attack the middle class and are ridiculously unfair.
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    im just asking them questions too, but I think that all benefits should be universal, we all pay taxes, we should all have access to the benefits of what we pay them for.

    I hope they answer my University queries, I am hesitant to join any party that does not support free University education
    I agree.

    No party will support free university education; well at least not for the next ten years. We could never afford free university education under these economic circumstances.
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    hello, im new here and the model HoC you have here seems interesting, my main Political interests include the Environment and Education, so basically my questions are:

    1) what are your parties policies on tackling climate change and promoting renewable energy?

    2) what is your parties opinion on the Browne review and how University education should be funded?
    In reply to Q1 - Our slogan at the last election was “A Greener Labour, A Better Direction”. Infact the manifesto was this:

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    A Greener Labour... A Better Direction...

    “This moment calls for stronger regulation, an active state, better public services, an open democracy.” – James Purnell

    The TSR Labour Party supports this opinion and will go green with a new focus on the environment, whilst acting in your interests to create jobs, fully regulate banks and restore public confidence in the political process. Unlike the real life Labour Party, we take pride in our socialist roots and will work for the people, not corporations.


    We will:
    • Ensure everyone has quick access to an NHS doctor and dentist.
    Oppose the Heathrow expansion and reduce domestic flights.
    • Make all suitable energy efficiency products VAT exempt to the public.
    Restructure the rail network with high speed lines connecting the UK.
    • Rebuild the university loans system, making it easier, fairer and quicker.


    TSR Labour believes in a society where every person has fair and equal access to high standards of healthcare, education and local government services. Regardless of background, everyone in a TSR Labour society is valuable and will be supported by the government and as a party we are proud to consistently achieve the aims we set out.


    Key Accomplishments:
    • Prevented the Libertarians removing the national minimum wage.
    • Brought an end to clamping and astronomical fines for parking offences.
    • Ensured essential drugs and vaccines can be produced cheaply for everyone.
    • Acted to ensure short term economic stability removing unnecessary restrictions on trading hours for retailers.
    • Legalised gay marriage, despite Socialist opposition.


    As you can see we made quite a statement towards the country going green in the future. The most important bill we passed was the Domestic Transport Bill 2009 which stopped the expansion of Heathrow and set-up a high speed rail link across Britain whilst taxing fuel used on domestic commercial flights aiming to cut emissions and provide a better service to the wider public.

    In reply to Q2 – I think paperclip has said it perfectly.

    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    thanks for the reply

    a quick follow up, is your party in favor or against Tuition fees on principle? do you think that it should be funded via taxation or do you support the notion that students should pay for it?
    We are in favour of fair tuition fees. It is a choice of the individual to go to university and shouldn’t be subsidised by taxes taken from everybody including the poorest in our society, this would only increase the tax burden. I think grants and bursaries are a great way of making up for this though as it protects the poor and their ability to go to university, whilst also protecting the middle earners whose tax burden isn't increased dramatically.

    I'll add to this last point... We all go to school and therefore it should be state funded, however when it gets to university there are so many more options, how is it fair to charge a family a percentage of their income for universities when their child will be doing another route of higher education, or shall we then pay for that with taxes? Before we know it everyones income is taxed to cover all bases and that's not very fair.
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    I agree.

    No party will support free university education; well at least not for the next ten years. We could never afford free university education under these economic circumstances.
    I know its expensive, but I think the government should cut elsewhere, education is one of those things that I think is always important to society, so they should always find a way to fund it.

    I dont want people thinking im uber left wing or stuff, I think things like Education and Healthcare/Welfare should be provided by the state, but not stuff like banking
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    hmm, well it seems you and the Lib Dems both claim to be pro-Green stuff and pro-tuition fees (or at least partly)

    ill need to think a bit more before deciding who I prefer. (read both manifestos on here)
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    I am considering voting for TSR Labour in the General Election because I am fed up of the Conservatives attacking their middle class core voters. What measures will you take to protect the middle class in the UK? Do you support the child benefit cuts?
    Do I eck! I watched PMQ's today and cannot see how Cameron keeps going on about we cannot keep supporting the wealthy ignoring Labour pointing out he's not removing support for the wealthy he's supporting wealthy families that are together.

    It's simple maths.

    £30k + £30K = £60k
    £50K = £50K

    Now the family with £60K and gets benefits has two parents able to look after that child and work around eachother whereas the single parent has to pay for child minders and other services which the child benefit is supposed to bloody be for! It infuriates me.

    What measures will we take? We will not be so bloody stupid!
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    hmm, well it seems you and the Lib Dems both claim to be pro-Green stuff and pro-tuition fees (or at least partly)

    ill need to think a bit more before deciding who I prefer. (read both manifestos on here)
    Do you think it's fair to tax people of all social levels for something they do not need or necessarily want?

    In my opinion everybody needs and uses a basic education, National Health Service and the emergency services etc but I can’t see this need for universities.
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    (Original post by Cardozo)
    Do I eck! I watched PMQ's today and cannot see how Cameron keeps going on about we cannot keep supporting the wealthy ignoring Labour pointing out he's not removing support for the wealthy he's supporting wealthy families that are together.
    I actually found myself cheering on Ed Miliband when he questioned how unfair the child benefits are. He even used the 'straight question straight answer' phrase that Cameron used before the election. Cameron didn't even answer the question and played the 'We were left with...' and 'You put us in this mess' card; getting quite old now.

    It's simple maths.

    £30k + £30K = £60k
    £50K = £50K

    Now the family with £60K and gets benefits has two parents able to look after that child and work around eachother whereas the single parent has to pay for child minders and other services which the child benefit is supposed to bloody be for! It infuriates me.

    What measures will we take? We will not be so bloody stupid!
    Indeed it is. Well I have voted TSR Labour in the TSR General Election, for that answer. Might take a while for me to defect to Labour in RL; might stick it out a bit longer :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    I actually found myself cheering on Ed Miliband when he questioned how unfair the child benefits are. He even used the 'straight question straight answer' phrase that Cameron used before the election. Cameron didn't even answer the question and played the 'We were left with...' and 'You put us in this mess' card; getting quite old now.
    It's easy to see why a lot of people have become disillusioned with their party whether that be conservative or lib dem.

    Ignoring the key point of Ed's question with that reply was astounding to me. He never said he didn't leave any mess or that he wouldn't change child benefits he just pointed it out it wasn't fair.

    However, as Ed pointed out, Cameron did indeed say he wouldn't make any changes to child benefit. Is it required? possibly; is it being done in the right way? is it ****.
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    (Original post by Cardozo)
    Do you think it's fair to tax people of all social levels for something they do not need or necessarily want?

    In my opinion everybody needs and uses a basic education, National Health Service and the emergency services etc but I can’t see this need for universities.
    for many career paths though, you do need a degree?
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    for many career paths though, you do need a degree?
    Therefore you invest in a degree to follow that career path, and you will eventually come out on top (or at least, that is the aim of the investment) by following that career path.

    Not everyone can be professional footballers because not everyone has the skills, not everyone can follow their dream since there are costs involved in getting there, and I don't think it's right that the least skilled end up working and paying tax for the more skilled and future rich to get that advantage for free.
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    I really hate the whole co-allition thing of "we are doing this because we were left this debt"

    seriously, the debt is there because of over reliance of the financial sector and incompetent Centre Right governments.

    also, IIRC dont most nations run with deficits most of the time? sure, not as large as this, but I remember reading that the USA/UK had large debt even before the "crisis" hit.
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    I really hate the whole co-allition thing of "we are doing this because we were left this debt"

    seriously, the debt is there because of over reliance of the financial sector and incompetent Centre Right governments.

    also, IIRC dont most nations run with deficits most of the time? sure, not as large as this, but I remember reading that the USA/UK had large debt even before the "crisis" hit.
    Is this related to anything previously posted?

    I mean, I like to see the re-evaluation of what government should provide anyway, since whether we pay through high debt levels and borrowing or through tax, government providing things means we all pay for it, not just people who use it.

    Your analysis of what caused the crisis and deficit is a bit off, too.
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    (Original post by GreenIsTheNewRed)
    for many career paths though, you do need a degree?
    Firstly, simontinsley is not a Labour party member, so he shouldn’t really be replying to the questions you ask as this possibly misrepresents us to people like you who haven’t been around long.

    This statement you make here “you need a degree for many career paths” is potentially true. However, you can also:
    - go to college.
    - get an apprenticeship
    - work
    You can opt not go to university and still become an accountant or solicitor etc. You can go to college and become a policeman or maybe you may want to go in the armed forces. http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk/ is a website dedicated to such people.

    It’s not something I personally feel is worthy of universal taxes, simply because it is not something used universally. Even if it was made free, your parents’ taxes would go up to make up for it and effectively you’re still paying for it. However, if they pay for it and you don’t go it’s a kick in the teeth.

    If you swap university in this instance to the NHS it’s justifiable regardless of whether you ever use it because that one day you collapse whilst in the shopping centre you’re in good hands.
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    (Original post by Cardozo)
    Firstly, simontinsley is not a Labour party member, so he shouldn’t really be replying to the questions you ask as this possibly misrepresents us to people like you who haven’t been around long.
    Oops, perhaps I should have made that more clear, but I thought the big Libertarian Party bit in my sig did the job for me!

    Apologies for any confusion caused, I just saw the discussion and was quite interested.
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    Indeed it is. Well I have voted TSR Labour in the TSR General Election
    Jesus ******* christ :p: You never fail to surprise me.
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    (Original post by simontinsley)
    Oops, perhaps I should have made that more clear, but I thought the big Libertarian Party bit in my sig did the job for me!

    Apologies for any confusion caused, I just saw the discussion and was quite interested.
    It's not a problem, I was just making sure he was aware
 
 
 
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