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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Here's a summary of the tory conference:

    Honestly. What a rotten conference this has been for speeches. The sheer, screaming boredom of it. It’s all so lifeless. So crushingly half-hearted.

    The same robotic phrases, recited over and over again: “a country that works for everyone”, “Brexit means Brexit and we’re going to make a success of it”, “no one left behind”, “as far as their talents will take them”. The drowsy dribbles of applause, each starting with a lone pair of hands (clap… clap…), acting as a Pavlovian prompt for the rest of the hall to join listlessly in.

    None of the speakers can tell a story. None of them can tell a joke, beyond the obligatory “How about that Jeremy Corbyn? He’s a bit Left-wing, am I right?!” No one has anything to say about themselves or their convictions or what they’ve learned about life and the world. No one, apart from Boris Johnson, has a turn of phrase or a distinctive rhetorical style.


    From the Daily Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...what-death-fe/
    Every year they complain about how boring conference season is unless it's your first one and thus a novelty. The only people who go to a party conference for the speeches are the really hardline party liners, anybody sane (as far as conference attendees go) are there for lots and lots of free booze and for the fringe events.
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    A new low in football seems to be happening with the inclusion of under 23 teams from some of the Premier League clubs in the CheckaTrade Trophy. New low attendance records and clubs fielding players over the age of 23, bending the rules, such as one club replacing the goalkeeper after 3 minutes.
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    Diane James expected to stand down as leader soon apparently.

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    Diane James resigns as UKIP leader just 18 days into the role. Apparently it just wasn't all it's cracked up to be and ended up doing her more harm than good - much like Brexit really.
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    Time for Wolfe, shame really, he should have been made leader 18 days ago instead and prevented this whole debacle that will just hurt UKIP and waste time just when they do not have time to waste.
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    More top notch banter, one of the best bits of the Cold War

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016..._id=sf37860417
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    On a total tangent, it was pointed out to me at uni today that the Government will currently pay up to £27,500 as a scholarship/bursury in addition to the normal student finance subject for someone to take a PGCE in Geography, with no obligation for them to actually keep up or even pursue a teaching career afterwards. Is that actually right?! Teaching's something I'd consider but I'm put off by the stories of ridiculous stress and workload, but I gotta say being paid such an insane amount just to study it for a year and come out with a qualification at the least anyway sounds like a ridiculously good offer.
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    Extracts of May's speech tomorrow in which she will slate both the 'socialist left' and 'libertarian right'. She will go on about the need to address the ills of capitalism.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-centre-ground

    This is going to be a very interventionist government indeed.
    The Tories are now pretty much adopting a lot of Ed Miliband's economic programme.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    Quick update RE the court verdict, its been revealed that Chris Day was censored from testifying and therefore wasn't allowed to present a letter where HEE acknowledged themselves as employers. So, in essence, the state blocked testimony that would have swung the case in favour of the docs.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Time for Wolfe, shame really, he should have been made leader 18 days ago instead and prevented this whole debacle that will just hurt UKIP and waste time just when they do not have time to waste.
    You're not really a libertarian anymore are you?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I see little wrong with contracting an employee to your organisation for a fixed period and fining them if they break that contract.
    I'll divide that up:

    First, that hasn't been fully confirmed (and I don't think it will only apply to future graduates) so it may well apply to current students and junior doctors.

    Secondly I object to this because the "fixing" to a contract is flawed to an extent, as international work is very important from a research point of view, so a pragmatic, say, "must work 4 years in 7 in NHS min" would be sensible

    Thirdly, why exactly should they be forced to work? The state doesn't pay my tuition fees, doesn't pay me a salary, I graduate with £45k debt plus living costs. I have to fork out for compulsory exams, training, insurance out of my pocket. Doctors are paid well below market average and the 220k fee is frankly *******s, that figure is just used to keep afloat the general health service, most teaching is unpaid.

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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Diane James resigns as UKIP leader just 18 days into the role. Apparently it just wasn't all it's cracked up to be and ended up doing her more harm than good - much like Brexit really.
    With the Conservatives currently turning into UKIP, I can't really see where UKIP fits in now.

    Apart from 'holding the government to account over Brexit' where do UKIP differ from the tories?
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    I'm absolutely flabbergasted at Rudd's proposals to cut the number of overseas students. Could someone actually, seriously explain to me what the reasoning could be, because I seriously don't get why on the great green Earth we would ever actually want this?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You're not really a libertarian anymore are you?
    And how did you get that from stating the obvious: Wolfe is favourite by a mile, and what is clear to anybody even vaguely astute: the less time UKIP spend on these sorts of things the more time they can spend trying to convince people they should be the new opposition to the Tories.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I'm absolutely flabbergasted at Rudd's proposals to cut the number of overseas students. Could someone actually, seriously explain to me what the reasoning could be, because I seriously don't get why on the great green Earth we would ever actually want this?
    Politics.
    Anti immigrant sentiment is high and they're cashing in on it.

    Foreign students pay more than we do and also pay up front. It's a great source of income for universities.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I'm absolutely flabbergasted at Rudd's proposals to cut the number of overseas students. Could someone actually, seriously explain to me what the reasoning could be, because I seriously don't get why on the great green Earth we would ever actually want this?
    Because immigration

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    After Brexit, could UKIP become a true libertarian party? Can't see them really shifting left and Tories are outdoing them RE Brexit

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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I'm absolutely flabbergasted at Rudd's proposals to cut the number of overseas students. Could someone actually, seriously explain to me what the reasoning could be, because I seriously don't get why on the great green Earth we would ever actually want this?
    It's stupid, it's just reducing the numbers to appease the target.

    80,000 of the non-EU immigrants were asylum seekers and spouces, we should cull most of them instead.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    After Brexit, could UKIP become a true libertarian party? Can't see them really shifting left and Tories are outdoing them RE Brexit

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    Hopefully. *Right now the tories and UKIP are identical.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Politics.
    Anti immigrant sentiment is high and they're cashing in on it.
    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Because immigration

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    I get why they're able to do it, I just don't even begin to understand why they would. It's not like having fewer Chinese student mulling around in big cities is going to make the anti-immigration people happy: most of them won't even notice. In any case, most of the sentiment is about foreigners either "taking our jobs" or "stealing our benefits": so we're going to get rid of the ones who aren't allowed to work OR claim benefits and put tens of thousands of pounds per year each into the economy, a huge portion of it straight into public coffers?! I fail to see a single upside of it and I'm bitterly disappointed that we've moved from the bad of anti-immigration rhetoric to the disastrous of appeasing it with completely irrational policy.
 
 
 
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