Thousands, "up to a million" march to US Capitol against 'Obama the socialist' Watch

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Quickly, there's no way in HELL that there was anything NEAR a million protesters there. Estimates by the police force and most decent news sources claimed the figure to be around 70k, and one or two crackpot conservatives suddenly pull the number 'million' out of the ******* ether.

Oh yeah, and Made in the USA doesn't know what he's talking about, but nothing new there.

(Original post by Made in the USA)
Obamacare will use federal dollars to fund abortions. Even some people who are vehemently pro-choice don't want their taxes used to fund free abortions.
No it won't.

Obamacare will be extremely expensive. Democrat controlled CBO estimates that it would add 220 billion to the deficit over the next ten years. If you use republican numbers, we are talking about 600 billion dollars. Either way, after Obama's failed stimulus, we really can't afford this.
It's going to aim to be budget neutral. And the stimulus is failed? Tbh, the economic climate (i.e, reality) is sort of against you there.

Obamacare will cut medicare. Obama promises to squeeze more than 500 billion dollars out of medicare over the next decade. He has no choice but to cut care for the elderly if he wants to extend benefits to millions of younger uninsured Americans.
No it won't. Medicare/Medicaid and the healthcare reform are two different entities.

Another thing that's awful about Obamacare is that his plan will be mandatory. If you don't get his plan, you'll be forced to pay a $3800 fine per family
The argument behind mandatory health insurance is completely rational. There are also plenty of options for those who can't afford to pay such high premiums via the insurance exchange that he proposed.

Everyone laughed at Palin when she said there would be "death panels" of bureaucrats with the power to kill off old people, but she wasn't far off. There will be mandatory "end of life" counseling every 5 years for the elderly. Doctors will have a monetary incentive to push old people into signing a "do not resuscitate" (DNR) order to pull the plug on grandpa.
Typical fearmongering ********.

Have you actually watched Obama's speech to congress? Because everything you said was proven to be totally wrong there. Also, a quick look at this article may also steady your spinning head: http://www.economist.com/world/unite...most_commented
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I'm not a conservative, I'm an anarchist. You seem to be a fake anarchist who's in favour of freedom only when people do as you say.
Based on what? The fact that I favour socialism over capitalism? I still favour anarchism over either.
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Things like this make me still think there's hope in America. I know Obama in the UK, and rest of the world for that matter is portrayed as the second coming of Jesus, but the reality is Obama's policies and wild spending sprees are going to put Americans, their children, and their children's children into huge debt which they will be paying back for generations to come.

I think Americans are brilliant people, and I love how in the rest of the world the only people who march are those left-wing idiots with absolutely warped socialist ideas, yet in America it is the right-wing, Republicans who make their voice heard and defend what America has stood for since it's foundation.
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(Original post by Collingwood)
I'm not a conservative, I'm an anarchist.

YEAHH MAN DAN WIF THATCHA!

Anarchist - grow up.
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Although I do feel sorry for some supporters of free healthcare, Obama has got to be one of the most overhyped arrogant politicians I think to ever have walked on the face of the earth.

Ever since Newsweek declared the "greatest human being of all time" things usually promoted by his PR machine, I've gone off him. To the point that I don't really care what goes on over there anymore.
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(Original post by burninginme)
Things like this make me still think there's hope in America. I know Obama in the UK, and rest of the world for that matter is portrayed as the second coming of Jesus, but the reality is Obama's policies and wild spending sprees are going to put Americans, their children, and their children's children into huge debt which they will be paying back for generations to come.

I think Americans are brilliant people, and I love how in the rest of the world the only people who march are those left-wing idiots with absolutely warped socialist ideas, yet in America it is the right-wing, Republicans who make their voice heard and defend what America has stood for since it's foundation.
What you see in these marchers is not rightism, libertarianism or any rational political ideology, you see stupidity and the lack of free will.

These people aren't standing up for what they believe in, they're standing up for what their favourite news channel and campaign websites believe in. In the case of Obamacare, the Private Healthcare industry has latched onto the Republicans and is actively funding opposition to healthcare reform. Individual Republican politicians, including George W. Bush who was paid over $1m, have been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in kickbacks to oppose healthcare reform. These people are bussed all over the country by Republican-funded campaign groups because they are told to go, not because they choose to. The Private Health industry simply does not care about it's patients - they view them as walking cash dispensers who can be milked and left out to dry. Republicans have a vested interest in keeping these companies solvent and highly profitable, because they continue to receive ridiculous amounts of money in campaign funds and kickbacks from the industry.

The voting base of the right-wing in America is, in general, incredibly stupid, punctuated with a few highly intelligent people.

This interview is quite enlightening about the healthcare lobby and debate in the USA.
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2 out of some 300 million is a NOTHING.

It is quite a lot actually considering the size of the country and how far people have to come to attend.

However, you may have just been sarcastic, to which I apologise.
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Tbh it is easy for us to judge from here, but he has chosen a very bad time to start something up which will cost so much dollar, when the national debt is so high. I mean look at the expenses scandal here - obviously a completely different situation and pretty difficult to defend, but I doubt it would have consumed the media for about a month and caused so many political hangings if it had come out 10 years ago. As Reginald D Hunter says, "When you're broke, you just find **** to be mad about". If David Cameron was elected and then suddenly unveiled some historically expensive new plan, when we are barely out of recession and our national debt is ridiculous, I would probably be just as vexed, no matter how good his intentions.
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It's actually of a significantly higher quality than British healthcare for the 85% of Americans who are insured.



15% don't have healthcare; out of them, a decent portion can afford it, but chooses not to buy it (mostly young people). Do try not to lie.
no, i don't think you need to lie.
15.4% of americans don't have healthcare
13.2% of americans live below the poverty line (official poverty level is $22,025 for a family of four. thats £3,250 to support a person for an entire year.
afford it my arse.


who gives a **** when 46,300,000 don't have adequate healthcare.

yeah, perhaps US healthcare is OK if you can afford it. but a colossal amount of people can't. i don't know if obama's reforms are the best ones, but those people need to be covered.
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Hmm someone wanted to shoot him, I see they're still doing it the American way.
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I'm a libertarian, and I support Obamacare - its ridicilous that people are calling it socialist, they clearly just don't understand it.

How clear does Obama need to make it - the public option wont apply to anybody who already has insurance, and it will compete fairly with private insurance companies by not using taxpayers money!

Besides that one point as well, there are several others that everybody agrees must be done, e.g. restrictions on insurance companies to ensure they don't put an annual cap on care or refuse care based on previous conditions. The longer the republicans delay this healthcare plan based on the minor aspect of public care being an option, they longer it is until those other issues are resolved.

If these people were true champions of the free-market, they would have faith that the private options will still be better than the public alternative and people will choose the highly efficient and amazing private option. If they feel that public care will take over, when its competing fairly without taxpayers money, they're actually being the socialists themselves.
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"If you want socialism go to Russia" :rofl:
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They're all white. :holmes:

I'm not saying they're racist, it's just my own (admittedly slightly racist) observation...
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(Original post by funkumf)
And the most ignorant, narrow minded, and deliberately antagonistic post of the year award goes to......
(Original post by UGeNe)
It's called caring. It goes hand-in-hand with sharing.

Damn it even Russians have public healthcare and their economy is rocky in the best of times. Get with the program.
(Original post by O-Ren)
But what about their children? Is is the child's fault their parents didn't work?
I was just fishing. I believe health care is a basic human right that shouldn't be decided on someones wealth.
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well am really surprised people are marching against Obama. where were they when Bush was in power? where was Glen Beck when Bush was ruling? just looking at Glen i just feel like throwing up. the guy is totally left wing
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just looking at Glen i just feel like throwing up. the guy is totally left wing
... Ey?
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atleast tht should reduce their weight a little bit...
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BUSH never got this much love from Democrats. What gives? Is it because he is BLACK?
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Based on what? The fact that I favour socialism over capitalism? I still favour anarchism over either.
Your the same person who wants to ban smoking on the street. You are not an "anarchist". Socialism and anarchism are on the opposite in the political spectrum.
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They're all white. :holmes:

I'm not saying they're racist, it's just my own (admittedly slightly racist) observation...
Although, in most of the Western world you're allowed to make observations like that. If there was a march FOR socialized health care, and I commented "they're all black!", I'd get slaughtered.
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