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    (Original post by Eloades11)
    stupid guy deserved it for rioting then, we cant just let people like him smash up things without getting what they deserve.
    WHAT!!!!

    How do you know he smashed things up, I actually went to school with the guy and he isn't the type to smash things up.
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    (Original post by KingofSpades)
    so who forced you to go, again?
    It was our own choices, college organised our coach, who ever wanted to go could go. However, we were at the front of the crowd so we got pushed into police when we didnt want to be. We said if there was any violence we werent going to be involved, but you cant help being pushed to the front line and trapped when theres crowds behind you and police in front of you.
    For most of us, it was our first protest and we werent expecting it to be that bad..but its put most of us off for a long time.
    As for me, I think our message still needs to be put across in a none violent way on part of both police and protesters.
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    I'm honestly going to say i could not give a flying **** he probably deserved it these protests have made me embarrassed to call myself a student
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    Sh it happens.
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    Depends on what he was doing.

    If he was trying to attack policemen, as a number of them were, they had every right to self defence.

    If he was just standing at the front of the crowd, they had no right to bludgeon him.

    I got a riot shield to the face when I was at Millbank and I wasn't doing a thing, just taking pictures for my uni paper. Had a huge lump on my forehead for days after. I can see how he might've been caught up in it without actually causing violence.
    :zomg: Omg that's terrible!
    I hope you feel better now.
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    (Original post by yawn)
    According to the student representative on Sky News this morning, many of the students were taken to hospital with things like broken fingers etc. caused by police brutality.

    We tend not to hear about anything other than police injuries so this news was pretty surprising.
    How the hell would the police have broken their fingers?
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    (Original post by Stems)
    WHAT!!!!

    How do you know he smashed things up, I actually went to school with the guy and he isn't the type to smash things up.
    Oh dear, "not the type to smash things up"...

    ...ever heard of "mob culture", "collective behaviour", "crowd psychology", "convergency theory", "collective responsibility" ?

    His deliberate actions have likely placed others (police officers or otherwise) in grave or mortal danger, justifying him to be struck on the head with a baton - if indeed it was (a) a deliberate strike and (b) actually caused by the police. The last thing that any officer wants is to be suspended from duty pending a criminal investigation every time they use force on people perfectly legally. Their whole life is on hold, not just their jobs. It is NOT worth risking by reckless actions on the part of individual officers.

    It makes me laugh how in one breath the police are slated for the injuries to protestors (but balls to the injured police officers, some of whom were knocked out, or had paint thrown in their eyes), yet in the next breath they are being criticised for failing to respond when a car carrying Prince Charles was smashed up and his wife was struck in the ribs through a smashed window...

    C'mon, you can't have it both ways.

    If a group of people decide to attack or rob someone, and the victim ends up getting stabbed by one of the offenders and dies, they are ALL guilty of murder - it's collective responsibility, a joint enterprise.

    You do not just get "swept" to the front lines. You are there by choice. If it's going off, you do the sensible thing and leave the situation, getting as far away as possible - not trying to smash police officers in the face with metal bars, fences, tins of paint and flares.
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    To anyone saying the protesters were just as bad, the police are employed by the state and are earning taxpayers money, they CANNOT just go around assaulting people. Hey may well have been rioting, in which case this would be more justified but anyone saying he deserved it simply for being there is ****ing retarded.
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    (Original post by Jono404)
    To anyone saying the protesters were just as bad, the police are employed by the state and are earning taxpayers money, they CANNOT just go around assaulting people. Hey may well have been rioting, in which case this would be more justified but anyone saying he deserved it simply for being there is ****ing retarded.
    Where is your evidence of the police "just going around assaulting people"? Are you having a laugh? Since when do police officers "just go around assaulting people"?

    The police were being attacked by mobs baying for blood - they even attacked the heir to the throne for goodness sake - what do you expect the officers to do? Just stand there? Police are issued with PPE for a reason and are entitled to use it to defend themselves, effect arrests and prevent a breach of the peace. The police have been very restrained given the circumstances. In many other countries (including Europe), tear gas would have been deployed and baton rounds fired into the crowd.
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    (Original post by Hex1986)
    Where is your evidence of the police "just going around assaulting people"? Are you having a laugh? Since when do police officers "just go around assaulting people"?

    The police were being attacked by mobs baying for blood - they even attacked the heir to the throne for goodness sake - what do you expect the officers to do? Just stand there? Police are issued with PPE for a reason and are entitled to use it to defend themselves, effect arrests and prevent a breach of the peace. The police have been very restrained given the circumstances. In many other countries (including Europe), tear gas would have been deployed and baton rounds fired into the crowd.
    I never said they were, I said that anyone suggesting the police should be able to use that sort of action on a person simply because they are in crowd that is being rowdy is an idiot.
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    With the amount of crap the students were throwing, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually smacked with a missile.
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      (Original post by Huskaris)
      Ok... So... This country voted for Gordon Brown? People voted for Blair expecting Blair, which they had for a while and then they got Gordon Brown
      Changes of leadership mid-term happen...Major took over from Thatcher when her fellow politicians decided they didn't want her leading them anymore. People vote for political parties, not individuals.

      People voted for Cameron, expecting Cameron, and they voted for Clegg, obviously not expecting Clegg but probably expecting some form of coalition I suppose...
      Same thing as above. People vote for politcial parties based on their manifesto and election promises, not for individuals. Now you're saying that people were expecting some form of coalilition..."I suppose". Can you predict the future too?

      But if you don't want a coalition, then don't vote for a non party like the Lib Dems.
      Well, one thing's for sure. I'm not responsible for the 'mix and match' that we have in power currently...I didn't vote for either because I didn't think either were sincere - or ready for government.

      Time has proved me right...unfortunately.

      Originally Posted by musicforsanity
      By the way, many of you are failing to mention the fact that there was a section of the area left open for protestors to leave if they wished. This however was not at the front where the two-deep line of policeman were trying to hold the line. Protestors could have left via this open exit rather than trying to push past the police. If they let a couple of people past they would soon lose control, I assure you.
      This obviously wasn't made clear to those being kettled, since nobody availed of the 'exit' nor was it apparent from the helicopter view on TV, above the entrapped students.

      Were you there? One of the student organisers said that they were joined by parents, grandparents and other sympathetic groups on the march...and that these non-students promised that they would be acting as 'vanguards' for protests in the New Year, once the effects of the coalition's cut-backs began to bite.

      It would appear that this is only the beginning of the end for the coalition's future.

      (Original post by Howard)
      Not quite Yawn. But I'm very enthusiastic and excited about what's going on in London.
      It's good to see that this generation of students have some backbone and sense of solidarity, isn't it?

      People can change the way that governments endeavour to shape society if they act and bestir themselves. I have great admiration for what the students are doing, albeit not condoning violence emanating from either them or those who seek to intimidate them.

      (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
      You talk utter rubbish!!! No party won a larger enough overall majority, hence the hung parliament - which is exactly what the voters voted for, as for saying that British Government is the same as the dictatorship in North Korea just reinforces the notion that students are idiots and have no understanding of the real world outside their own selfish interests. Grow up.
      And you, young man, are very rude and disrespectful to your fellow human beings.:mad:

      I can't understand how you came to the conclusion that no party not having a large enough majority was at the behest of the people, thus driving the politicians to go into a coalition. I do recall the political apologists, ie Cam and Clegg, spreading this propaganda at their joint presentation in the gardens of 10, Downing Street. What they forgot (as you forget too, it seems) is that the entire voting population of Britain did not form a united consensus to ensure that this happened...it would be impossible to do so for obvious reasons.

      Incidentally, I haven't been a student for quite a while, but I am very supportive of them. It's a shame that you cant empathise and aren't supportive...and one wonders what you are doing on TSR.
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      The police should have gone in there and smacked each and everyone of them. Do you just want the police to stand their like statues whilst these idiots cause some serious damage? You're havin a laugh
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      (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
      If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen - his choice.
      If you read the article, you'll find that is exactly what he was trying to do
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        (Original post by KingofSpades)
        so who forced you to go, again?
        Ye gods! The poster gave a first hand witness of what they saw...the police brutality meted out to innocents -apparently indiscriminately - and all you want to do is comment as you have.

        Don't you have anything to say about this primary source?

        Originally Posted by shark67
        The police should have gone in there and smacked each and everyone of them. Do you just want the police to stand their like statues whilst these idiots cause some serious damage? You're havin a laugh
        ...in Sociology terms, the media is a secondary agency of socialisation, but very close to being a primary agency.

        This means, that the media influences a persons norms/values/beliefs etc.
        Do you think that you have been influenced by the media in the manner prescribed here?

        Originally Posted by gm15
        How the hell would the police have broken their fingers?
        You really can't see how? :eek:

        I don't know if you saw the actions of groups of police officers seizing hapless, individual students from the crowd and forcing them face down onto the ground, whilst the officers knelt on their backs to keep them still and pulled their hands behind their backs. It's pretty easy to exert enough force of their hands, forcing their fingers towards the backs of their hands and breaking them. As an alternative, the officers have only to put the hands of the students flat out on the ground and bring their batons down with full force onto the fingers.

        The question should not be how they would break their fingers, but why they would want to break their fingers...
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        Don't take the Law in your own hands.
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        (Original post by raari)
        Can I also add to why this person is naive -
        Because in Sociology terms, the media is a secondary agency of socialisation, but very close to being a primary agency.
        This means, that the media influences a persons norms/values/beliefs etc. In this case, this person has clearly been influenced by the news on TV, showing how the police are clearly the victims. The media are bias to the tories, and why? Because the tories are funding the BBC.
        You're either a conspiracy theorist or a complete moron, the BBC's funding comes from the tv licence and that's paid by everyone with a tv equally which is pretty much everyone so in funding terms the bbc has no large single investors to please, also the BBC is famously considered slightly left-wing.
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        (Original post by yawn)
        Ye gods! The poster gave a first hand witness of what they saw...the police brutality meted out to innocents -apparently indiscriminately - and all you want to do is comment as you have.

        Don't you have anything to say about this primary source?



        Do you think that you have been influenced by the media in the manner prescribed here?



        You really can't see how? :eek:

        I don't know if you saw the actions of groups of police officers seizing hapless, individual students from the crowd and forcing them face down onto the ground, whilst the officers knelt on their backs to keep them still and pulled their hands behind their backs. It's pretty easy to exert enough force of their hands, forcing their fingers towards the backs of their hands and breaking them. As an alternative, the officers have only to put the hands of the students flat out on the ground and bring their batons down with full force onto the fingers.

        The question should not be how they would break their fingers, but why they would want to break their fingers...
        lolwt?

        What I am saying is that a protest/riot, (these riots going of past footage), is not a primary school.

        It doesn't help that their cause was ridiculous
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        Goes both ways. Police were pretty physical but it was hardly a "peaceful" protest
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        (Original post by lesbionic)
        Me too. Under EU law, if he dies and the force used against him by the police was not anything more than absolutely necessary, then the policeman as an agent of the United Kingdom implicates the state as a whole.
        ECHR Article 2 - Right to life. (Not the EU.)
       
       
       
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