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    (Original post by EggmanD)
    Much rather see a safer drug that causes less social problems.. Heroin meets the criteria compared to coke.

    Fact is if people snorted what they do now if it was legal and pure they would die instantly. Anything over a gram of pure coke will give you a severe heart attack, an estimate by some doctors but that is nothing compared to the overdose limit of most other recreational drugs.

    Ive seen someone do about a .3 line of peruvian flake (which cost him £120 a
    gram,) collapse and get rushed to hospital and he now has heart problems.

    It is not safe, it is not fun and it is not even a good drug. The crap on the streets is just caffeine/pro plus a bit of coke that keeps you awake and makes you more aggressive especially if you drink which most people do and the pure stuff does the same with a severe face numbing effect and ease of overdose.


    Horrible ****, if anything i would make punishment for it harsher if we had a drugs reform.

    Cannibis however should be legal, most people wont choose to smoke or grow the super strength lemon peng diesel cheese that knocks you out, i would prefer a nice mellow high not a hysterical brain melting explosion
    i dont know where your mates are buying there gear but it is readily available to find pure ****, i.e as a rock. and a gram of this wont put u in the hospital unless u did it all in one go and had never had it before. There is a tolerance limit to it as well. If you downed a bottle of vodka i think you would end up in the A&E as well.
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    This is quite interesting...:P
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    (Original post by profoflife)
    I would say to compare getting pissed and choking on your own vomit is equivalent to having a couple of grams of coke in one night....which is quite a lot and would see you climbing up the walls...after a few lines you will want more and this will continue.....then you cant sleep or think straight.....and you need more, and more and potentially having a cardiac arrest....as i said, it can get quite messy and needs to be managed carefully like all things, including alcohol.
    I agree that there is a stigma associated with all drugs and the people that take them. You would be surprised at the type of people who take various drugs, it would surprise many.
    Yeah i totally agree, as long as it's managed then i think it's as harmless as alcohol. I'm not saying it's completely harmless, but i just think that if you take it responsibly like people i know then there is no harm in taking it.
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    (Original post by Alfiep)
    Because it doesn't actually screw you up (apart from the comedown- think really really really bad hangover, but it's possible to reduce it through various means), and it's SO AWESOME as a drug. Seriously- it's so much fun! Don't knock it til you've tried it.
    I hardly get any comedown after taking md. Haa..lucky me, I guess.

    Otherwise agreed ^
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    (Original post by profoflife)
    i dont know where your mates are buying there gear but it is readily available to find pure ****
    Haha!

    And crack rock is not necessarily pure, it's just a mixture of coke and bicarbonate soda, it still has the impurities that were present in the original gear. You ain't gonna find 100% gear outside of Colombia, period. I always hear people saying how they paid 100 quid and it was pure, why would a dealer sell a pure gram for 100 quid when they could bash it into 5 grams at 40 each and make 200 quid?
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    (Original post by IlexBlue)
    I wish people would stop posting these arguments of "but but medicine!"

    Clearly, I'm referring to recreational drug ue.
    Not just medicine... anything. Crossing the road. Skiing. Hiking. Eating peanuts. Unless you walk around in a zorb your whole life stfu and let other people live their lives. Many of the greatest people in history have indulged in recreational drug use, and their lives were all the better for it. Indeed all 3 of the last presidents of America have...
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    When I was on my gap year last year, for the first however many months of it before I buggered off interrailing I continued socialising with quite a few recreational drug users.

    In those few months I tried MDMA, E's and coke as well as loads of those legal high substitutes found in head shops. From my experience, they were all great (with a personal preference becoming MDMA) and they really did give me some immense and equally intense euphoric experiences.

    However, what was always in the back of my mind was, "I'm off soon, I won't be around those who are willing to do it with me". In a way, although those I was with didn't feel sorry for themselves, I felt sorry for them. Not in a patronising way, it was just that I had an escape route from drugs and they continued with their lives as normal and their usage increased.

    Now at university and far removed from said friends, I've found that drugs have been fun, in the correct environment and spontaneously. Like has been said many times in this thread (i've read most if not all of it) drugs are great if you've got triggers in your life to halt the usage (i.e. upcoming exams or the beginning of a new career). Also, our parents did it, so why shouldn't we? Most of them have turned out alright. It's like anything, if your careful and know the risks, you'll be okay.

    From what I've read in this thread it seems I'm not alone in my thoughts. I am totally for experimentation and having a ridiculously funny time on drugs, but there always is a limit. It's just knowing when you've had enough and growing up!
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    (Original post by ArcaneAnna)
    I hardly get any comedown after taking md. Haa..lucky me, I guess.

    Otherwise agreed ^
    Everyone springs out of bed with no come down at first... Trust me, somewhere down the line you will get a comedown and probably decide you want to stop.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    It can be any variety of colours, depending on the route of synthesis and the impurities that are left behind. It can also be treated in different ways after synthesis to prevent deterioration for longer. It always has been and always will be synthetic though.
    You can read all you like about it...i know from experience...and remember when you could get pure MDMA capsules....no bags, no other crap....they were measured and in soluble capsules and were everywhere.....unfortunately you will never see these again...although i havent touched the stuff for 10 years and dont plan on it either.

    are u at the uni or the met?
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    (Original post by profoflife)
    You can read all you like about it...i know from experience...and remember when you could get pure MDMA capsules....no bags, no other crap....they were measured and in soluble capsules and were everywhere.....unfortunately you will never see these again...although i havent touched the stuff for 10 years and dont plan on it either.

    are u at the uni or the met?
    I was at the uni. I have friends who synthed it, so I have indeed seen and taken the pure stuff.
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    what im talking about is not 100 quid from some dodgy guy.....it is very expensive and the dealers drive around in ferraris and live in mansions....

    Point im making is its possible to get extremely clean gear in the UK
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    (Original post by profoflife)
    I wouldnt really put coke and cannabis in the same category, they are quite different. Coke can be quite dangerous and is visciously addictive. Cannabis is practically harmless compared to other legal substances.

    Interesting fact - Out of all substances, pure Heroin is actually the least harmful of all as it does no lasting damage on your body or brain at all...Although it is severly physically addictive.
    Ehh..? We must be getting really **** coke then....because I have not found it addictive whatsoever. And neither has anyone else I know - and we have bought it from all corners of the country, for vareous prices. I mean - we must have sampled quite a large range of good and bad.

    Bah. I prefer ket anyway.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    I was at the uni. I have friends who synthed it, so I have indeed seen and taken the pure stuff.
    what year did you graduate?
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    Everyone springs out of bed with no come down at first... Trust me, somewhere down the line you will get a comedown and probably decide you want to stop.
    HAHAHA. Me? Stop? - maybe one day, but I can tell you now that it's nowhere in sight.

    Staying kettled friday till well into sunday is too much fun. I'm quite happy continuing.
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    Btw...does anyone remember the days you could get pills for like £2.

    It's shocking that now they're £10 a pop!
    Still good tho - if you have a reliable source. c;
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    (Original post by BellaBoo)
    Meh, i can only go on experiance. I'm not a drugs expert so tbh i don't know how "pure" the stuff i've taken in the past is-but i can say that it's never made me aggresive, and in general helps me manage my alcohol better (i appear far less drunk when taking coke with alcohol than when i just drink on its own.) To be honest, the only negative effect i've ever experienced from taking Coke is a numb nose lol, and slight paranoia one day when i'd taken a bit too much the night before. I can deal with that.
    LOL you certainly know a lot about cannabis! I rarely smoke it, but i agree it should be legal.
    The agressive line was generalisation, i know it doesn't for some people, most people around me get quite agressive though and did when i was going out alot when i was younger.

    I just hate it from experience and i know a lot of people who have had problems with it, unlike mdma for example, which is better in every way shape and form

    (Original post by profoflife)
    i dont know where your mates are buying there gear but it is readily available to find pure ****, i.e as a rock. and a gram of this wont put u in the hospital unless u did it all in one go and had never had it before. There is a tolerance limit to it as well. If you downed a bottle of vodka i think you would end up in the A&E as well.

    It was a wrap full of quite large browny white rocks, he said it was the best he had ever seen, was pure and then he told me how much he paid for it and i was pretty shocked lol

    he collapsed at my house party after giving it a go, think had a beer or two..

    It was tolerance yes, but like i said, if it was legalised tomorrow and sold pure people would be used to doing half gram lines third whatever and **** themselves up.

    Im sure it wouldnt be the case, but i just hate the drug and think compared to all other recreational ones its rubbish. Like eating food when your starving, its just satisfactions and cravings.
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    (Original post by profoflife)
    what year did you graduate?
    09, how come?
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    (Original post by ArcaneAnna)
    Btw...does anyone remember the days you could get pills for like £2.

    It's shocking that now they're £10 a pop!
    Still good tho - if you have a reliable source. c;
    Yeah, used to be able to get them at 3 for a tenner inside the night clubs. Cheapest I ever saw was some guy selling them at trade for £5 for 10. I always try and buy before I get inside so I can test them, or buy off someone who makes it.
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    (Original post by ArcaneAnna)
    Btw...does anyone remember the days you could get pills for like £2.

    It's shocking that now they're £10 a pop!
    Still good tho - if you have a reliable source. c;
    Wasn't around for the glory years of being able to get quality pills everytime, but I remember being so chuffed at getting the amazing love hearts at a couple of quid a pill last year. A couple of them would see me gurning the night away everytime
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    (Original post by SuperSam_Fantastiche)
    He didn't say it turns your mind to mush, he asked how people are still mentally coherent - which isn't a bold statement, more of a misinformed question :p:
    Same thing essentially, your mind being mush implies you're not mentally coherent and he was obviously asking it in a way that implied that he thinks it does make you mentally incoherent. So yeah, I see no reason why I shouldn't call him ignorant, because he is. A simple google search would dispel all of his preconceived and idiotic notions about MDMA.
 
 
 
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