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Do you agree with the scrapping of EMA? Poll Watch

  • View Poll Results: Are you pleased that EMA has been scrapped?
    Yes, it wasn't fair on the middle classes and was used innapropriately!
    41.03%
    Yes, we can no longer afford it!
    14.81%
    I am indifferent
    4.27%
    No, we can still afford it!
    2.28%
    No, poorer students relied upon it and it encouraged social mobility!
    37.61%

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    (Original post by Liam_G)
    Please stop acting like you're better than everyone else because you have a job. I have a job, i've had it since i was 13.I don't know how people can have such a strong opinion on something that they have no comprehension of.
    i'm grateful for the system, as it means that i don't have to take money from her.
    Just because some people are not eligible for EMA, it doesn't mean they don't 'comprehend' the EMA system or the situations that those that claim off it are in. That is patronising.
    And frankly, yes, people who earn money rather than take it undeservedly are better. They apparently have a sense of financial responsibility.
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    I can honestly say, if it wasn't for EMA, I'd be working a job right now....
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    sick of these whiney rich kids who moan that they dont get it therefore nobody should, even though they're normally pretty loaded
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    (Original post by SatanIsAwesome)
    I was under the impression that the point in our education system was to make sure that nobody is at a disadvantage.

    So while some poor person is doing their 4 hour shifts, instead of further reading or work, richer people are sat there gaining an advantage because they don't have to do a job.
    Not everyone whose parents earn high wages gets everything paid for them you know, or they have other things to pay for like siblings. Some parents don't want their kids living off taxpayers' money and want them to find their footing like earning their own cash by getting a job. My Dad is self-employed and I still didn't get EMA. Anyone who thinks I'm 'loaded' frankly doesn't know a damn thing about me or my family and have no right to make such ridiculous assumptions. Instead of moaning about how much life sucks and how easy the rich have it, it's up to the person who has to get a job to put the extra effort in. Education can only level the playing field to a certain extent. You have plenty of free periods in college to do 'further reading' and plenty of time at home. Part time jobs usually involve a couple of night shifts a week or half a day during the weekend. It's hardly back-breaking stuff, is it? Students need to learn to make sacrifices like not having as much time to watch TV or play computer games.
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    No i dont agree at all, people are stating that we should just "get jobs". Im not sure if you havent noticed, but recently its near bloody impossible to find one. I live in a small town, and every place i have worked has shut down because of the recession. My only other option is to drive about 20 miles away to work, which i can neither get a bus for, or drive as i cant AFFORD driving lessons OR a car. Also, i take artistic subjects, so buying equiptment cost a hell of a lot, which without EMA i would not be able to afford. Its easy for people with richer parents to say getting rid of it is fine, but they dont understandd untill they have been in the circumstances themselves.
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    I agree with the scrapping, but also recognize the need for a new system to enable poorer people to still attend college.

    The amount of people who used it for things which wasn't necessary was stupidly huge- and it made a mockery of the whole system.

    It's a shame for those who used it properly, though.
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    Everybody I knew on EMA was perfectly capable of securing a job. Moreover, most of those people spent their EMA on alcohol, anyway. Annoyingly, these people were usually better off than me... Despite my mum earning more, she is taxed more heavily, and I am provided with NO support.
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      It needs to be changed. Right now the vast majority of it is spent on useless junk like games and booze. One guy I knew just saved up all his EMA money for the first two months and bought an Xbox 360.

      The poll could've at least just have been narrowed down to "Yes" or "No". I had to pick the first one but I don't agree with what it says.
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      All of my EMA goes on my transport as I travel from zone 1 to zone 6 everyday . My parents earn less than 15,000 aswell.
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      I actually use it wisely -.- though i have to be honest, the majority of students who do get EMA waste it on stuff like weed, cigs and games...
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      I don't want it to be scrapped, because I wouldn't have any money for bus and train fares otherwise (wouldn't be a problem if I had a job, but still no luck).
      Maybe something like a travel and book card/voucher so that only things within those categories can be bought? Not perfect, but it does eliminate the grant going on booze and clothes :P
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      (Original post by Riso)
      Just because some people are not eligible for EMA, it doesn't mean they don't 'comprehend' the EMA system or the situations that those that claim off it are in. That is patronising.
      And frankly, yes, people who earn money rather than take it undeservedly are better. They apparently have a sense of financial responsibility.
      I do earn my own money, didn't you read my post? I've worked for years... And don't act like you've never taken money undeservedly... that's frankly laughable.
      How do I not have a sense of financial responsibility exactly? I'm not unappreciative of the EMA system, and I use the money correctly and appropriately.

      Fine, maybe it was a tad patronising to suggest that you don't 'comprehend' the system... I apologise, but still, how can you deny people a facility that promotes equal rights to education? Sure, you have a job and can afford your own things, but if you were fired or unable to secure a job I'm sure your parents would be able to provide you with educational necessities regardless. Many do not have that luxury.

      I also hate people who misuse the system and use it to buy clothes and booze, as i'm sure you do, but that isn't exactly everybody...

      I'm sorry we disagree on the subject, but I don't really want to enter a full-blown argument about it. There are good things about ema and bad things, but I can't see anything wrong with offering help to those who want to further their education and would struggle to do so otherwise.

      If you decide to pick apart my argument and counter it in a 'reductio-ad-absurdum' fashion, feel free... I like to hear other people's views and such.

      Again, sorry for insulting you.
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      I'm hapy it's being scrapped, it was a stupid concept. In most situations, the only people to get it were those living with one parent, but that doesn't mean that they don't recieve money from their parents. One of my friends lives with her dad, but her mum earns a good 100grand and gives her 25 quid a week, on top of the 30 she gets from ema.
      On the other hand theres me, who is fortunate enough for both parents to still be together. My mum works 47 hours a week, and earns about £26,000 and my dad works 40 hours a week and gets £28,000. If they were to live apart, I would be legible for ema from living with either of them, but because they are together I don't. My parent don't give me any pocket money; they haven't since i got a paper round when I was 12. I pay for all my school stuff myself, including bus money to and from every day.
      Whilst I see how some people could benefit from EMA, most seem to just sepnd it on things that have nothing to do with their education, and for that reason it's great it's being scrapped, as it makes it much more fair.
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      The tories and lib dems will regret these decisions in the future. They seem to have overlooked the fact that the people being affected by these cuts will be able to vote (unless they already can vote) soon.
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      (Original post by Taiko)
      I fully agree with it.

      As EMA was brought in as an incentive for people to stay in education after 16, it was a good thing. However, as it will soon be compulsory for all to stay in education/training until the age of 18, that incentive is no longer required. Therefore it is right to scrap it.
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      I used to get ema and I know that most people spend it on alcohol or weed but I actually needed it to pay for books and transport. I think it'd be better if there was like an ema card so it can only be used for certain things.
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        (Original post by lechaton-x)
        Some teenagers' parents can't afford to get them anything nice and the last holiday they had was Pontins aged 9...if they are working hard at college then why shouldn't they have a little bit of money to pay for their transport to school or to save up for a nice pair of trainers that their parents can't afford to buy them?
        It's not the taxpayers' responsibility.
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        (Original post by 101101)
        I fully agree with it.

        As EMA was brought in as an incentive for people to stay in education after 16, it was a good thing. However, as it will soon be compulsory for all to stay in education/training until the age of 18, that incentive is no longer required. Therefore it is right to scrap it.
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        this is a really good point..never thought of it that way.

        Have to disagree with people who think it was unfair and that is reason for it to be scrapped however. The reasoning behind EMA I believe was less about supporting children in ' poverty ' through education and more about encouraging social mobility. Though the children from working class backgrounds for the most part come from families whom are still able to support them adequetlly, the values of the working and middle class are different. A lot of working class students hold negative attitudes toward school ( can be linked to working class values ) because of the way they are forced to conform to middle class norms and values by middle class teachers and are offered no immediate gratification. Studies show that working class people find it more difficult to accept defferered gratification such as qualifications and this combined with the cultural clash is enough to send working class children fleeing from there schools as soon as they get there 16th birthday badge. The EMA then in my opinion was to offer an immediate gratification and reward which inturn allowed the children to see the benefits in there work ( as opposed to returning to working class jobs after education ). This then encouraged social mobility as they would recieve the education needed to move across class boundaries which would help lessen the 2 tier effect of rich and poor in time.

        That being said ...the conservatives from what there actions so far indicate are all about bringing back a 2 tier extreme rich , extreme poor system in society..

        Anyway now its compulsary of course its a waste of money to offer encouragement for something they have to do anyway... just dont think it will have and positive effects long term...much like the tuition fee rises or health care cuts and and and...

        ah well.. I leave for university next year any way so il have had all the EMA I need
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          (Original post by WelshBluebird)
          But the point is some people cannot afford to stay in education.
          The increased costs of staying in sixth form / going to college are too much for poorer families.
          Jesus Christ, it's already free - you don't have to pay to go to sixth form. The "poorer families" can't get everything for free.

          Either:
          *Get a part-time job
          *Find some other ways of earning money
          *Make some financial sacrifices

          Perhaps that means purchasing less clothes, using a cheaper mobile phone, cancelling your Sky subscription. If you aren't prepared to lose these and other inessentials, well it begs the question, how much do you value your education?
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          (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
          Do you agree with the scrapping of EMA, or would you prefer it were kept?
          Speaking as someone who gets EMA (and just escapes before it's scrapped) I'd say I'm well placed to give a neutral evaluation of EMA, at my school in any case.

          For me, it's a godsend. I genuinely use most of it to pay for stuff related to my education and would struggle without it. I also have a job, but I still have very little money left over because, like some others who get EMA, I have to pay for everything myself apart from the bare essentials like food, bills, etc.

          But I'll also admit that I did use some of it for what you might call social activities - but only to the extent that would allow me to socialise at the minimum level, if that makes sense.

          However, I get more narked than most about how the system gets abused. The number of people I know who get EMA because Daddy has his own business and likes to fiddle the books... It does my tree in because it influences everyone else's opinion of people who get EMA - we all get branded the same, just like people on benefits.

          Essentially, I think justifying scrapping it purely based on the notion that the system gets abused is disgraceful - it's a minority of people, as always, in my experience and to take this lifeline away from people who genuinely need it is tough for me to stomach knowing how much it's helped me out.
         
         
         
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