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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    It removes the incentive for QUALITY.

    Give me something that was created in a socialist/anarchist/communist society that compares in quality to many of things produced in capitalism?

    For example, how would Apple exist? Sure, they are overpriced, but you cannot deny they are extremely well made. Nice things can't exist in socialism because whilst the incentive to innovate is not necessarily stifled [perhaps even enhanced] in a socialist system, but the incentive to produce results is gone, which is not produced by curiosity.
    Russians made very good vodka during the cold war. The AK47 is very popular as well.
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    (Original post by princessnavi22)
    What a ridiculous comment. Would you eat leftovers from a cafe or restaurant? No.

    They're not peasants, some people cannot help being unemployed.. Jesus TSR just gets worse and worse
    A lot of food is supposedly thrown out from bakeries, butchers, supermarkets, etc etc day in day out purely because it doesn't sell.

    I'd rather have that than nothing. Quote from a friend of a friend: "Working at Marks and Spencers is hilarious; at least 50 packs of sandwiches get chucked out each day because they don't sell... and that's just the sandwiches! Would probably be better if they set up a system where all the leftover food went to the people living on the streets, but I know they won't because they think it's far too much effort... which saddens me quite a bit".
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    A lot of food is supposedly thrown out from bakeries, butchers, supermarkets, etc etc day in day out purely because it doesn't sell.

    I'd rather have that than nothing. Quote from a friend of a friend: "Working at Marks and Spencers is hilarious; at least 50 packs of sandwiches get chucked out each day because they don't sell... and that's just the sandwiches! Would probably be better if they set up a system where all the leftover food went to the people living on the streets, but I know they won't because they think it's far too much effort... which saddens me quite a bit".
    The issue here, however, is that as businesses M&S and other companies won't simply give their stuff away. It would be up to the state, or charities, to sort out a deal to get the left over food, and you can bet that this would involve payment.
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    A lot of food is supposedly thrown out from bakeries, butchers, supermarkets, etc etc day in day out purely because it doesn't sell.
    My mum works in a school canteen and she always tells me of how much food is thrown away, for example the school closed on friday when they were meant to have Christmas Dinner, instead of giving away the food to charities or the homeless they we're told to bin all the food. (the food wasn't cooked and if stored properly could of lasted a few weeks) This is Christmas dinner for 2000+ people bare in mind. It was quite a shock really and such a big waste of money and food, that could of made a nice meal for so many disadvantaged people.
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    (Original post by DesignFreak)
    My mum works in a school canteen and she always tells me of how much food is thrown away, for example the school closed on friday when they were meant to have Christmas Dinner, instead of giving away the food to charities or the homeless they we're told to bin all the food. (the food wasn't cooked and if stored properly could of lasted a few weeks) This is Christmas dinner for 2000+ people bare in mind. It was quite a shock really and such a big waste of money and food, that could of made a nice meal for so many disadvantaged people.
    I expect they were told to throw it away in case they gave it away and someone got food poisoning and they got sued.
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    some unemployed people sit on their ass and never look on their ass.

    BUT

    there is a MASSIVE economic recession. Try getting a normal job in London at 20 years old. I spent 5 months doing that and then moved to exeter within a week I had a normal job.

    Yeah all these snobby middle class living in low unemployment areas brats should take a month of their life to realise how life is for other people.

    I think the food vouchers are a good idea but only because I got 3 months of my benefits cut off for NO reason. Can you imagine the rage I felt?
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      (Original post by Drunk Punx)
      A lot of food is supposedly thrown out from bakeries, butchers, supermarkets, etc etc day in day out purely because it doesn't sell.

      I'd rather have that than nothing. Quote from a friend of a friend: "Working at Marks and Spencers is hilarious; at least 50 packs of sandwiches get chucked out each day because they don't sell... and that's just the sandwiches! Would probably be better if they set up a system where all the leftover food went to the people living on the streets, but I know they won't because they think it's far too much effort... which saddens me quite a bit".
      Most of these out-of-date sandwiches find their way into 'convenience corner shops' where they are put on sale to happless customers who don't realise that they are on the verge of 'going off.'

      Our local area had nine such stores fined for selling sandwiches that weren't prepared by them and had their originating labels covered over by the local store labels. Greedy b.......
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      Sorry if this is a stupid question, but to the people who say: 'oh I want my taxes spending on things that people need instead of booze/ps3 games etc' surely the person could always sell their food vouchers anyway?

      Some people will choose to spend their 65 quid a week completely on food so I'd doubt anyone would object to them receiving food vouchers when their money doesn't turn up. However, other people will choose to live off one meal a day, never have heating on or whatnot (I see this happen plenty at uni) and choose to spend the rest on booze. Yet, somehow, people object to these people receiving benefits even though they get the same amount?
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      OK idea. I'm glad this is just an emergency service and not as a replacement for benefit payments. It has it's downsides though, it is possibly demeaning and I don't really like the idea of people having to rely on charity. Overall I go with it though.

      My fear is that this is the beginning of something nastier, i.e. replacing benefits with vouchers.
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        (Original post by The Next Left)
        OK idea. I'm glad this is just an emergency service and not as a replacement for benefit payments. It has it's downsides though, it is possibly demeaning and I don't really like the idea of people having to rely on charity. Overall I go with it though.

        My fear is that this is the beginning of something nastier, i.e. replacing benefits with vouchers.
        Call me cynical, but this is exactly what I think may happen...once the coaltion has 'softened up' the electorate and got them used to the idea.

        Cameron said he wanted to change peoples' minds...and this is how it's done...slowly and insidiously.
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        (Original post by yawn)
        Call me cynical, but this is exactly what I think may happen...once the coaltion has 'softened up' the electorate and got them used to the idea.

        Cameron said he wanted to change peoples' minds...and this is how it's done...slowly and insidiously.
        To be honest I don't even think he needs to 'soften up' the electorate. The Sun and The Daily Mail have already convinced most of the population that all benefit claimants are scumbags.
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        (Original post by chiggy321)
        The issue here, however, is that as businesses M&S and other companies won't simply give their stuff away. It would be up to the state, or charities, to sort out a deal to get the left over food, and you can bet that this would involve payment.
        Well I can get fired for saying this but lets just say some food does tend to somehow make it to charities
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          (Original post by yawn)
          Benefit payments are calculated very carefully; they should cover the everyday nutritional, housing and energy costs of the number of individuals who are included in the claim. It is up to the beneficiary how they spend that money. If they choose to purchase items that are not on the 'inventory' of the calculated requirements that is their free choice - but they then have to go without something to get something else instead.

          It is none of your and anyone else's business what an individual purchases because we have done our bit to ensure that they have the means to survive. If they choose to misspend that is their prerogative.

          We don't live in a facist dictatorship - at least as long as people with opinions the same as yours remain very much a minority - and long may it stay thus.
          If benefit payments are enough to survive on, then that should be the only payment they receive. If they choose to spend it inappropriately, then tough. Deal with it.

          The thing about benefit payments is that in certain conditions you have more money on the dole as opposed to working, or just earn an extra few pounds per week. I feel that this problem should be dealt with as it could lead to apathy and making a benefit lifestyle an option, when frankly, it shouldn't be.
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            (Original post by lovely_me)
            Even if they do choose to spend that on cigarretes/alcohol, these products are so heavily taxed they're practically returning their benefit payements back to Davie C.
            Then they get the payments back again via the NHS when they suffer from lung/liver disease. :rolleyes:
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            This measure will ensure that benefit claimants will not spend at least part of this kindly paid money on inappropriate things. We cannot afford maintaining entirely whole sections of society. Time to push these people into work, just as normal people do. Getting up every morning and earning money for yourself and the loved ones. You don't like working for 'only' 6 or 7 pounds per hour or getting told to work faster ? Tough, that's what you get if you were a lazy ******* in your school years.
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            (Original post by Ambitious Student)
            This measure will ensure that benefit claimants will not spend at least part of this kindly paid money on inappropriate things. We cannot afford maintaining entirely whole sections of society. Time to push these people into work, just as normal people do. Getting up every morning and earning money for yourself and the loved ones. You don't like working for 'only' 6 or 7 pounds per hour or getting told to work faster ? Tough, that's what you get if you were a lazy ******* in your school years.
            Same for university students right?
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            (Original post by Democracy)
            How demeaning.

            In a perverse way I do wish the snobby middle class brats posting nonsense in this thread end up on the dole for a very short while at some point in their lives. Then they'll realise it's not fun or a treat and that being demeaned by the state (and further demonised by the chattering classes and media) is actually not a laughing matter.
            Post of the thread.

            I sincerely hope some of the kids in this thread go through unemployment, they'll soon change their tune.
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            (Original post by im so academic)
            If benefit payments are enough to survive on, then that should be the only payment they receive. If they choose to spend it inappropriately, then tough. Deal with it.

            The thing about benefit payments is that in certain conditions you have more money on the dole as opposed to working, or just earn an extra few pounds per week. I feel that this problem should be dealt with as it could lead to apathy and making a benefit lifestyle an option, when frankly, it shouldn't be.
            How the **** would you know anything about living on benefits? You're 14 or 15 or some ****.

            Its extremely difficult, near impossible to get enough benefits that it pays more than working. Very few people pull it off, vast majority of people unemployed will get Jobseekers and little else like I did.

            If you think £55 a week is enough to survive on then you need to grow up and fast.

            "Benefit lifestyle", jesus wept. You need to spend more time off the computer and less time on the student room, you've clearly a warped sense of reality.
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            (Original post by Ambitious Student)
            This measure will ensure that benefit claimants will not spend at least part of this kindly paid money on inappropriate things. We cannot afford maintaining entirely whole sections of society. Time to push these people into work, just as normal people do. Getting up every morning and earning money for yourself and the loved ones. You don't like working for 'only' 6 or 7 pounds per hour or getting told to work faster ? Tough, that's what you get if you were a lazy ******* in your school years.
            Stop talking out of your arse.
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            I think you guys missed the bit:

            'An individual can be given three vouchers in a row during one particular period of hardship, and can be helped three times in a year, meaning a total of nine vouchers a year can be given out per person. '

            It's not like a person can rely on the Jobcentre to feed them the entire year.
           
           
           
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