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The Daily Telegraph: Muslim population has grown from 1.65m to 2.87m in a decade Watch

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    (Original post by kilowattjester)
    I got no problem with this until we get some that may want to enforce sharia law. If that ever occurs then I am leaving thats for sure.
    Says a lot about you that in the face of fascist beliefs such as islamic extremism you choose to turn and run instead of standing up for what you believe in.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    its very very large considering the uneven spread - loads in the cities, none in the countryside means 2nd generation muslims are going to grow up being more like first generation muslims rather than socially liberal british people
    HAHAHA since when have country folk been more liberal than city folk? Surely it's the other way around?
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    (Original post by piya21)
    HAHAHA since when have country folk been more liberal than city folk? Surely it's the other way around?
    no as in the immigrants all go to the cities not the countryside so that they can be in the company of eachother and near a local place of worship so now cities are becoming very hostile places
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    By the way here's a very interesting article: http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/20...muslim-future/

    It basically states how due to declining Muslim birthrates there isn't really anything to be worried about.

    "However, this is misguided for two reasons. First, Muslim fertility is falling. Second, non-Muslim immigrant groups are also growing fast, making Europe more plural and less Islamic. Though our report does not venture beyond 2030, further projections for Switzerland are revealing. If Muslim fertility converges to host levels by 2030, the Muslim proportion only reaches 8.5 per cent in Switzerland and 14 per cent in Austria by 2050. Looking ahead still further, Austria’s Muslim population only rises to 21.5 per cent by 2100 while in Switzerland it tops out at a mere 10.5 per cent. Those of “other” religions like Hindus or Buddhists comprise around 15 per cent in both countries by 2100, creating a “Pluropa” of Christians, seculars, Muslims and others."

    In essence, calm the **** down.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    ok we'll just turn your country of ethnic origin into a white, christian/atheist, alcholic state shall we?
    This, SO much. White people are too insecure and guilty, too PC minded to stick up for their own culture, race, and heritage when they are all under ATTACK!
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    (Original post by JW92)
    It's only worrying insofar as first generation Muslim immigrants from staunchly Muslim countries will often hold values and prejudices that conflict with those of a liberal Western society. As I say though, that's usually restricted to first generation Muslim immigrants and 2.87m is still a relatively very small proportion of the population.
    Such a high proportion of Muslims from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh marry people back in Pakistan, which means that views of their children wont become liberalised (at least not as quickly) as has happened with other immigrant populations. Also all the attention on Islam seems to have made younger Muslims more aware of their faith then the older generations. Don't expect the Muslim population to become more liberal and less religious as has happened with other immigrant populations.
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    (Original post by anonstudent1)
    Such a high proportion of Muslims from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh marry people back in Pakistan, which means that views of their children wont become liberalised (at least not as quickly) as has happened with other immigrant populations. Also all the attention on Islam seems to have made younger Muslims more aware of their faith then the older generations. Don't expect the Muslim population to become more liberal and less religious as has happened with other immigrant populations.
    absolutely agree mate, although i dont think its got much to do with marrying its just that there are predominantly muslim areas of britain which give those muslims no chance to engage with non-muslims on a day to day basis, at least not much interaction.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    there are predominantly muslim areas of britain which give those muslims no chance to engage with non-muslims on a day to day basis, at least not much interaction.
    such as?
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    (Original post by Chengis)
    such as?
    leicester, bradford, east london. and many more areas are catching up.
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    (Original post by karateworm)
    Some people need to realise that Muslims are still people like any other and chill the **** out.
    Good one!
    I guess Jamesman being Zionist is just a little bit freaked out
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    no as in the immigrants all go to the cities not the countryside so that they can be in the company of eachother and near a local place of worship so now cities are becoming very hostile places
    I'm fairly sure this is because most immigrants come to the UK for economic reasons, and employment is far easier to find in urban areas. Surely most migrants are not that religiously observant? The UK is quite an irreligious place.

    London appears to be fairly safe - because if it was a hostile place, then many multinational corporations would simply move their European headquarters to places like Paris or Frankfurt, surely?
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    leicester, bradford, east london. and many more areas are catching up.
    Are you sure more than 50% of people are adherents of Islam in the areas emboldened above? I don't think so.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    leicester, bradford, east london. and many more areas are catching up.
    I don't think you can say those areas have been overtaken by Muslims to the point where Muslims cannot interact with Non-Muslims.

    Firstly the media and adverts on the streets are full of non-Muslims and non-Muslim people etc so they do see this on a daily basis.

    Second, sure those areas have a relatively high proportion of Muslims but they are not the only ethnic group in those areas.


    Sure some families of new arrivals might only socialise with other Muslims ( it is the same for Hindus and Polish families), that is natural but I don't think it is fair to say that Muslims can't interact with non-Muslims.
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    (Original post by Willum Infanta)
    Longsight :sadnod:

    My mum works in a place called Surestart in Longsight and says that these whole minibuses turn up outside full of Asians or Romanians (like 8 kids etc.) and they just go "Benefits, benefits!". The majority can't talk english well so my mum has had to learn basic Urdu to understand them...
    Yeah, it's like that at the school my mum works at in Leeds. Barely any of the kids speak english as a first language, compared to a decade ago where most did...

    It's not itself a problem, but I think the pace of change has probably been too fast - it's unfair to expect the school to cope in such a short period of time.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Are you sure more than 50% of people are adherents of Islam in the areas emboldened above? I don't think so.
    Theres many more areas then that, Birmingham Manchester and a load of others. Thats not to say that the areas such as Birmingham or Manchester will be totally muslim or even 50 % evenly spread, but in small areas scattered around the area e.g in Birmingham in areas like alun rock, Aston, lozells there will be places and communities where Muslims (Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian Muslims really) are in the clear majority.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Are you sure more than 50% of people are adherents of Islam in the areas emboldened above? I don't think so.
    (Original post by Chengis)
    I don't think you can say those areas have been overtaken by Muslims to the point where Muslims cannot interact with Non-Muslims.

    Firstly the media and adverts on the streets are full of non-Muslims and non-Muslim people etc so they do see this on a daily basis.

    Second, sure those areas have a relatively high proportion of Muslims but they are not the only ethnic group in those areas.


    Sure some families of new arrivals might only socialise with other Muslims ( it is the same for Hindus and Polish families), that is natural but I don't think it is fair to say that Muslims can't interact with non-Muslims.
    bradford will be muslim majority by 2016. point is, its not a threshold muslims cant interact with non-muslims, its that the more muslims there are, the less they integrate and immigration will continue, and arrivals in these hotspots will continue
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    What's the worry? They're people at the end of the day.
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    (Original post by anonstudent1)
    Theres many more areas then that, Birmingham Manchester and a load of others. Thats not to say that the areas such as Birmingham or Manchester will be totally muslim or even 50 % evenly spread, but in small areas scattered around the area e.g in Birmingham in areas like alun rock, Aston, lozells there will be places and communities where Muslims (Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian Muslims really) are in the clear majority.
    In practise there are lots of religious groupings represented there as well as Sunni Islam (e.g. Protestant Christianity, Catholic Christianity, Orthodoxy, Shia Islam, Vaishnavite Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism etc.). There are official breakdowns by ethnicity of populations per London borough and per constituency, but not sure if there are breakdowns by religious affiliation. People could lie anyway, surely?
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    bradford will be muslim majority by 2016. point is, its not a threshold muslims cant interact with non-muslims, its that the more muslims there are, the less they integrate and immigration will continue, and arrivals in these hotspots will continue
    Aren't economic prospects in Bradford fairly poor compared to London? So why would migration to Bradford exceed that to say, London?
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    I would just like to point out that the vast majority of the Muslims who have emigrated to the UK are from either Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebannon/Palestine or Somalia.

    This is because in the last deaced we have been at war in Afghanistan and Iraq so surely you can expect a wave of refugees eh?

    The number of Iraqis and Afghans entering the country before the wars was significantly less...go figure.

    The Lebanese and Palestinians are victims of Israeli imperialism (i'm not here to debate that) and the Somalians the victims of poor governance and crazy rural tribes.

    Muslims are not the only ones coming to the country and there are evident reasons why they do come, sometimes we induce it ourselves by invading their countries sometimes they just want a better life, in either case there are clear reasons for the increase in Muslims and this should not be used as hate propaganda against Muslims.
 
 
 
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