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    Just like a forest fire provides fertile ground for the next generation of trees to grow on the ashen floor so does conventional war provide us the drive to better ourselves. Due to technological advancements made due to wars billions do not die due to famines or doe diseases. War and peace as a cycle is needed however nuclear war is insanity.
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    (Original post by Narutopolaris)
    So? People die everywhere and always have- what difference will it make if Psy's cousins get roasted?
    You must have a dull life to write such obvious attention-seeking comments. Nahw.
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    (Original post by Gray Wolf)
    Its internal politics. The boy just came to power and the way he shows of his strength internally to his generals and more so to his public is through sabre rattling. This is done in order to strength his hold over the military and to reaffirm his place as head of state. War would result in destabilization of his reign but also his ideology which he wouldn't want.

    I am saying this assuming he is not a completely indoctrinated machine bent on global spread of communism at all costs.
    Most likely the former. But by any stretch he has taken this sabre-rattling too far, as might be expected from a youngling.
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    It's all posturing. North Korea always does this whenever South Korea elects a new leader. All their TV is decided by the state, so it just looks to their people like they're giving America the big 'I am'. They don't have the capability to nuke the US. At absolute worst, they attack South Korea, at which point the US, and probably China, nuke North Korea into the ground with some of those B-2 nuclear capable planes they have. There is absolutely nothing to worry about. There is no danger to the US, or the UK.
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    (Original post by tommyjazzhands)
    Indeed the key word is 'can'. This debate gives rise to the whole dogmatic conservative idea that we have a pre-programmed human nature which is competitive, aggressive and greedy. It's great for the state-capitalist dictatorship war machine isn't it? It's simply not true. There are numerous examples of humans actually being the very opposite of this dogmatic suggestion- an altruistic, intelligent and benevolent being.

    Conservatism- a forward looking agenda? Yeah right, rapacious bloated imbeciles spouting lies and creating a world of inequality and injustice while the lower classes are forced to live in squalor. You stay brainwashed, I'm going to say a big fat **** you to war, control and dogmatic philosophy with no basis in truth or fact designed only to subjugate the people.

    Why won't Iain ******** Smith live on £51 a week? Because he has one rule for the 'privileged' and one rule for everyone else. Do you support the royal family too? Are they a 'forward thinking' concept?

    Better a Conservative than a Leftie; you say "forced into squalor"- no one forces them to live in sqaulor, let alone the Conservatives: they force themselves through their lazy, idle attitude (Im talking about those who live off benefits despite being healthy; but you probably venerate them...). This Conservative government is having to clear up the mess of the past Labour governments- we are allowing the poor to lift themselves up with help from the State, but at the same time not making the poor dependent on benefits; take government university grants and benefits- or apprenticeship schemes. As for the Monarchy, they are forward looking; in gender equality, in charity work, in adapting to a modern21st society, in dealing with other faits etc...

    Go stick your socialist rubbish where it belongs; the Gulags, the bins,
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    Trending on Twitter at the moment: #NorthKoreanFootballChants

    A few of my favourites:

    We hate South Korea, we hate America too. We hate western democracy, but Kim Jong we love you...

    Oh when the nukes, go flying in, oh when the nukes go flying in. I wanna be in that bunker, oh when the nukes...

    He nukes, he lies, he eats too many pies Kim Jong-Un, Kim Jong-Un!

    Here we go lads:




    In all seriousness a situation like this could get pretty crazy pretty quickly. God forbid NK actually attempt to launch a missile.
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    Something tells me Kim Jong-Un's putting on a show for domestic consumption, ie the public and higher-ups in the government/military who believe (with good reason) that he's too young and inexperienced.

    They wouldn't dare launch an attack on US bases or South Korea, when even China, their only benefactor's losing patience with them, leaving them without a single ally...just a proverbial knife to a gun fight.

    Whenever the North brandishes its nukes it has some sort of leverage over the international community and uses these nukes to extract aid and recognition through talks, with the promise of denuclearisation (which almost always never happens) - I imagine this is just another case, but with much higher tensions following the cutoff to the Kaesong complex and the official line connecting both countries...
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    North Korea recently attempted to launch a satellite into space, which ended up falling back into orbit and being destroyed, in 2006 they tested the Taepodong-2 missile which failed after 40 seconds.

    Theoretically they have the range to just just just about hit Alaska, but really there is no threat to the US mainland, I really wonder what the people of North Korea think of all this? flexing your muscles at the most powerful country in the world with a 0% chance of victory and 100% chance of alot of civilians dying.
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    (Original post by Ziggy2252)
    North Korea recently attempted to launch a satellite into space, which ended up falling back into orbit and being destroyed, in 2006 they tested the Taepodong-2 missile which failed after 40 seconds.

    Theoretically they have the range to just just just about hit Alaska, but really there is no threat to the US mainland, I really wonder what the people of North Korea think of all this? flexing your muscles at the most powerful country in the world with a 0% chance of victory and 100% chance of alot of civilians dying.
    They don't know that the US has a much superior military. The people there are brainwashed from birth into believing their "great mythical leader Kim il-Sung" defeated the "Yankee imperialist *******s" before they "surrendered to the great DPRK" in 1953 - the only information they get is info fed by state media, which spews out constant propaganda
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    I don't believe that NK will launch a single missile, let alone a WMD. But say if they did launch a nuclear missile that hit the US... do you think the US will react with nuclear arms or just react very swiftly and heavily with their very capable non-nuclear weapons?

    They're capable of wiping out NK without nuclear arms, and I just wonder whether they'd avoid using WMD because of the taboo? Or would they just bite and go all guns blazing with an instant reaction on a nuclear level?
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    All the gifs/chants are pretty funny but in seriousness, this scares me half to death...

    The thought of it actually happening is just... sickening.
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    (Original post by Narutopolaris)
    Better a Conservative than a Leftie; you say "forced into squalor"- no one forces them to live in sqaulor, let alone the Conservatives: they force themselves through their lazy, idle attitude (Im talking about those who live off benefits despite being healthy; but you probably venerate them...). This Conservative government is having to clear up the mess of the past Labour governments- we are allowing the poor to lift themselves up with help from the State, but at the same time not making the poor dependent on benefits; take government university grants and benefits- or apprenticeship schemes. As for the Monarchy, they are forward looking; in gender equality, in charity work, in adapting to a modern21st society, in dealing with other faits etc...

    Go stick your socialist rubbish where it belongs; the Gulags, the bins,
    That's a nice conservative bullcrap brochure you've wrote yourself there. You've met every criteria for a proper conservative
    Ignorant of the working class : check
    See the working class as idle and lazy (an idea from dinosaur age politics): check
    Blame labour: check
    Blame the left wing: check
    Make oneself look an ignorant posh tosser while doing all of the above: check


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    (Original post by Narutopolaris)
    Better a Conservative than a Leftie; you say "forced into squalor"- no one forces them to live in sqaulor, let alone the Conservatives: they force themselves through their lazy, idle attitude (Im talking about those who live off benefits despite being healthy; but you probably venerate them...). This Conservative government is having to clear up the mess of the past Labour governments- we are allowing the poor to lift themselves up with help from the State, but at the same time not making the poor dependent on benefits; take government university grants and benefits- or apprenticeship schemes. As for the Monarchy, they are forward looking; in gender equality, in charity work, in adapting to a modern21st society, in dealing with other faits etc...

    Go stick your socialist rubbish where it belongs; the Gulags, the bins,
    You completely missed the point. I have no interest in banal political debates, the initial point was about human nature.
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    (Original post by ss_s95)
    They don't know that the US has a much superior military. The people there are brainwashed from birth into believing their "great mythical leader Kim il-Sung" defeated the "Yankee imperialist *******s" before they "surrendered to the great DPRK" in 1953 - the only information they get is info fed by state media, which spews out constant propaganda
    See thats proberly where ill struggle with this, I cant imagine a whole population being that brainwashed, to the extent they dont actually know there place in the world and how wrong they are. Im just glad i was born here.
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    (Original post by Ziggy2252)
    See thats proberly where ill struggle with this, I cant imagine a whole population being that brainwashed, to the extent they dont actually know there place in the world and how wrong they are. Im just glad i was born here.
    Unfortunately that is the reality of the situation. Every TV and radio is government-sanctioned, meaning it can only receive state-set channels - and watching anything other than that (such as illegally smuggled South Korean DVDs) could land you and your family in a labour camp. This has been going on since the division of both Koreas, so the regime had ample time to perfect their information barriers.

    That's not to say people aren't aware that they're being fed lies - they probably do know but they're forced to show heart-felt support for the regime to avoid being classed a political enemy and being sent to a forced labour camp with your family. Protesting/rioting is impossible as the country is a full-fledged, militarised police state.
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    I think the media in general seems to have ignored the bigger issue of the country's human rights abuses in their forced labour camps - they seem to be a lot more concerned about the nuclear threats which mean close to nothing, seeing as they wouldn't stand a chance if they went on the offensive

    Read 'Escape from Camp 14' by Blaine Harden - it's a real eye-opener.
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    (Original post by ss_s95)
    Unfortunately that is the reality of the situation. Every TV and radio is government-sanctioned, meaning it can only receive state-set channels - and watching anything other than that (such as illegally smuggled South Korean DVDs) could land you and your family in a labour camp. This has been going on since the division of both Koreas, so the regime had ample time to perfect their information barriers.

    That's not to say people aren't aware that they're being fed lies - they probably do know but they're forced to show heart-felt support for the regime to avoid being classed a political enemy and being sent to a forced labour camp with your family. Protesting/rioting is impossible as the country is a full-fledged, militarised police state.
    Also i understand these two countrys have been at 'war' for what 60 years? neither of them signed the peace treaty.
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    (Original post by Ziggy2252)
    Also i understand these two countrys have been at 'war' for what 60 years? neither of them signed the peace treaty.
    Yup they're still technically at war because they only signed an armistice. There hasn't been any major skirmish following the armistice but the north has periodically attacked the south. In 2010 they torpedoed a south Korean submarine, killing 46 marines. They also fired artillery at a south Korean island - but the south never countered any attack from the north.
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    World War III perhaps?
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    (Original post by ss_s95)
    Yup they're still technically at war because they only signed an armistice. There hasn't been any major skirmish following the armistice but the north has periodically attacked the south. In 2010 they torpedoed a south Korean submarine, killing 46 marines. They also fired artillery at a south Korean island - but the south never countered any attack from the north.
    2009: One North Korean sailor killed in a naval battle
    2002: Four South Korean sailors and an estimated 30 North Koreans killed in a naval battle
    1999: At least 17 North Korean sailors believed killed in naval fire fight
    1998: South Korea captures a North Korean mini-submarine in its waters
    1996: A North Korean submarine runs aground in South Korean waters

    So this is all big news now that the US is involved even though it has been going on for years, Like everything else the US suddenly decides to get involved in, suppose they have to justify that 800 Billion defense budget somehow.
 
 
 
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