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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    This whole champagne socialist thing is so lazy. The DM story cited above is also a massive pile of ****.

    What a right wing thing to do... to not focus on what convictions someone holds, but their wealth.
    Yes, the subtext is that people from well-off backgrounds are born to be grasping, self-serving, acquisitive and indifferent to the plight of others and uninterested in political radicalism. Kind of "why would they do that?"
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    Punishing companies for being successful is nothing to be proud of. Why should he get a state funeral for that?
    Because the companies did not create the market for the resource, which belonged to the state. In allowing private companies - even "British" ones, since companies are really stateless - to profit from a national asset, you should be maximising the return the state gets on the resource, since even the Britishest of companies can spend and store the profits abroad. Otherwise you are just allowing yourself to be asset-stripped. Unfortunately this is generally what goes on when the government contracts something out.

    The other option in the face of globalisation is to do away with the nation-state and state-level econometrics altogether. In the long term (i.e. several centuries) this is the only feasible option which is why economic blocs like the USSR or UN or US or Mercosur continue to exist.
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    So y'all have a problem with paying a couple of million [lets be honest its a piece of piss in the grand scheme of things] for the buriel of a women who shaped this country in ways that shape the modern world but im sure youre all peachy with forking out for when Diana kicked the bucket right? I smell the sickly scent of hypocrisy.
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    Although I'm a labour voter, I really don't think we can be angry with her directly about this. After all, did she not say a state funeral was not what she wanted?
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    (Original post by HopefulMidwife)
    I'm so pissed off that we're having a 8m funeral in a country where they claim to have no money. People can struggle, literally have nothing but it doesn't matter, as long as she gets her state funded funeral, right? Ironic coming from a government that wants to privatise everything, it seems. Did they even ask for permission to use our taxes for this crap?
    They don't ask my permission before they spend so much on welfare. There's no way I would agree to it.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The upcoming funeral for Margaret Thatcher is a State Funeral in all but name.

    * 800 soldiers will accompany the procession.

    * Costs are now over £8m and rising.

    * Previous Prime Ministers apart from Churchill have always had a private funeral followed by a public commemoration service - this one is a break from tradition.

    This is a triumph of right-wing propaganda, a victory for Tory PR and something Labour could not challenge, because the media is in the grip of the Right and they feared losing votes under the onslaught.

    No PM as controversial as Thatcher, despite her many achievements, should be receiving a State Funeral. This is a piece of Peronist right wing triumphalism, an attempt by the current government to restore the popularity of Thatcherism and a deliberate campaign by Cameron to gain ground.

    I urge people to stay away from the funeral in protest, not at Margaret Thatcher herself, but at this Tory propaganda coup. Please do not watch the show and respond to any surveys that you did not watch it.

    Show the government that we do not agree with their Orwellian game-playing.

    Why on earth do you have so many negs for this? You are completely right. Having a publicly funded funeral is the exact reverse of what Thatcher was all about! It is so ironic.

    And I definitely agree that the media are being suspiciously quiet about this all, and the benefit cuts. The only media these days who speak against the tories is the Guardian. It's all so weird, but people don't believe that modern day corruption occurs. It certainly does.
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    Guys, guys, £8m of public money is literally nothing...
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    (Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
    Although I'm a labour voter, I really don't think we can be angry with her directly about this. After all, did she not say a state funeral was not what she wanted?
    True. But lets remember who got the ball rolling on this one back in 2006.

    You're friend and mine. Swish Tony.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/blai...cher-1-1412430

    I've posted this before but Full of Suprises doesn't like getting involved in discussions that upset her pre conceived viewpoints.
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    (Original post by Bulbasaur)
    Guys, guys, £8m of public money is literally nothing...
    What's the cost of policing a similar event with lot's of VIPs such as a G8 summit?

    I like the way that the numbers now dropping down from 10 to 8. It'll be interesting to see how much her estate puts in. When her son mark went missing in the Sahara, she made sure the tax payer wasn't out of pocket and paid the FCOs expenses herself.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st-desert.html
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Why on earth do you have so many negs for this? You are completely right. Having a publicly funded funeral is the exact reverse of what Thatcher was all about! It is so ironic.

    And I definitely agree that the media are being suspiciously quiet about this all, and the benefit cuts. The only media these days who speak against the tories is the Guardian. It's all so weird, but people don't believe that modern day corruption occurs. It certainly does.
    Maybe it's because the Media is in line with public opinion. The Guardian is anti Concervative. If David Cameron announced a cure for Cancer the Guardian would try to put a negative spin on it
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    An intersting article here from a left wing journalist about Thatchers legacy

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/gregor-...rism-1-2898107
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Maybe it's because the Media is in line with public opinion. The Guardian is anto Concervative. If David Cameron announced a cure for Cancer the Guardian would try to put a negative spin on it
    Public opinion? HAH. Where do yo live, Chelsea?

    If a labour politician had a 10m funeral, all of you people would be up in arms. Including Cameron. So would I. But it is so, so weak to just brush a 10m funeral under the carpet when the whole reason for the benefit cuts was due to our austere times.

    It makes me feel sick, how hypocritical so many are.
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    In the midst of all this debate I read the order of service and much as I disliked Margaret Thatcher's policies and would prefer her funeral to have been a quiet one for family and close friends only, I do like the choice of hymns.
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    (Original post by Bulbasaur)
    Guys, guys, £8m of public money is literally nothing...
    Oh but the benefit cuts were so neccessary but 10 million on a ceremony for a dead person over half the country hates is worth nothing! :rolleyes:

    I'd have so much more respect for the Tories if they stuck to their guns. All their preaching about how we are in such tough economic times...
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    (Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
    Although I'm a labour voter, I really don't think we can be angry with her directly about this. After all, did she not say a state funeral was not what she wanted?
    Indeed she did. She wanted her funeral to be privately funded..
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    What's the cost of policing a similar event with lot's of VIPs such as a G8 summit?

    I like the way that the numbers now dropping down from 10 to 8. It'll be interesting to see how much her estate puts in. When her son mark went missing in the Sahara, she made sure the tax payer wasn't out of pocket and paid the FCOs expenses herself.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st-desert.html
    Am I supposed to know the answer to that? Lol.

    She'd probably be all-for paying for it (assuming she's as rich as everyone thinks she is). Whether that happens is another matter.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Public opinion? HAH. Where do yo live, Chelsea?

    If a labour politician had a 10m funeral, all of you people would be up in arms. Including Cameron. So would I. But it is so, so weak to just brush a 10m funeral under the carpet when the whole reason for the benefit cuts was due to our austere times.

    It makes me feel sick, how hypocritical so many are.
    If that's making you feel sick, I suspect that you're in for a bit of a shock when you get into the real world of work.

    You obviously didn't read my post about Swish Tony. Why do you think he arranged it back in 2006? Possibly because when he goes that's what he's after.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    In the midst of all this debate I read the order of service and much as I disliked Margaret Thatcher's policies and would prefer her funeral to have been a quiet one for family and close friends only, I do like the choice of hymns.
    The problem you have is she was s well connected on the international scene that a few close friends and family is still about 1500 that will still need money spending on teh policing of it due to the nature of the people attending.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Why on earth do you have so many negs for this? You are completely right. Having a publicly funded funeral is the exact reverse of what Thatcher was all about! It is so ironic.

    And I definitely agree that the media are being suspiciously quiet about this all, and the benefit cuts. The only media these days who speak against the tories is the Guardian. It's all so weird, but people don't believe that modern day corruption occurs. It certainly does.
    What I said was true and it grows truer by the day. More and more people, even Conservatives, are coming forward to say how worried they are by the way this has turned into a propagandistic event.

    It's very troubling the way this was all apparently signed off by Gordon Brown, but to me, Brown and Balls were just Conservatives and neoliberals wearing a different party badge, so I shouldn't really be surprised.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    What I said was true and it grows truer by the day. More and more people, even Conservatives, are coming forward to say how worried they are by the way this has turned into a propagandistic event.

    It's very troubling the way this was all apparently signed off by Gordon Brown, but to me, Brown and Balls were just Conservatives and neoliberals wearing a different party badge, so I shouldn't really be surprised.
    It was signed off by Blair.
 
 
 
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