Where would you rather live, Las Vegas or Riyadh (Saudi Arabia)?

so you're suggesting that america *today* is, still, better than saudi arabia *today*? and for the record, we're talking about the countries themselves, not their acts towards other countries

i spit on them both

oh please, why don't you read up on all the disgusting human right abuses committed by the west, when it was industrialising. other countries are now following its footpath, only later. I'm not condoning human rights abuses but the west incarnated the modern world, and has now spread it across the globe.

Vegas any day! I'd rather be free than live in a hypocritical Islamic society brimming with money, hidden vice, slavery, and public beheadings. I prefer the USA values of democracy, freedom and the culture they bring to the wider world. Their constitution and open society are two things I admire. Take the films they produce, for example and the intellectual debate, their outstanding universities etc. I don't know what good Saudi Arabia does for the wider world. I wouldn't feel safe there and I abhor their legal system. It's a no brainer for me.

The West? Is it Saudi Arabia against The West in your eyes? Can't you be any more specific, like err, name a country perhaps? Or is every Western state decadent and corrupt in your eyes, in comparison to Muslim countries? You don't get it if you are not disgusted by the justice system in Saudi Arabia. You try and justify it by pointing to 'all the disgusting human rights abuses committed by the west". What do you think about the rape laws in Saudi? What do you think about public stonings and beheadings? I'm interested to know your personal views about these issues.

no, again, we're talking about where you'd rather *live*, we're not talking about what america has do in the past, and obviously that's what you're saying this for. nobody is supporting america's actions in iraq, afghanistan, vietnam and all the other countries.

If it's between the cities in question and you have money: Riyadh, you can pretty much live a normal life with no state interference by corrupt police and at least theres some pretence at being against immoral practices like prostitution, paedophillia, sleeping around, cheating etc. As a whole, America obviously because although those in power, in Saudi may as well just be Americans, you can escape the wahabbis influence somewhat in a small town like Bethlehem, Georgia Atlanta. Lands cheap, you are your own person.

And you don't get it either, what with your false pretence at being disgusted with the justice system in Saudi Arabia, when the British Government are the very people who sponsored the Wahabbi movement, and put the pseudo Saudi Monarchy in power. Another deluded, exclusivist Christian who thinks that a state like Saudi Arabia represents Islam and is the alternative being offered to Western secularism, because let's be honest that's what the issue is here.

-As a female you won't be able to drive
-Women must wear an abiya (lightweight black covering) when out of compound

riyadh, because i don't have to worry about getting robbed.