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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    How are you suddenly 'free' without islam?

    is that really a question?

    -no need to marry a muslim woman
    -no need to circumcise son
    -no prohibited foods and drinks
    -no obligation to pray or fast
    -a bigger and wider view on the world based on rationality and logic (not saying muslims are irrational and illogical, but atheism is entirely based on rationality and logic)

    and other things

    of course losing faith in a religion has it's downsides. but your question is still pretty stupid..
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    (Original post by tabmax22)
    Yes, it is indeed in its sexism in its sheerest form. The women being required to wear a hijab is oppression. It strips (oops!) them off their identity. Why is it that the women have to cover so that the men avoid falling into the trap of lust? Shouldn't we then be teaching men how to control themselves?
    Beuaty for Men and Women in Islam is defined differently.

    Islam teaches modesty which applies to both male and females.

    This is not oppresion. The hijab does not strip them of their Identity. You are sexist for thinking a women's Identity is in her hair.

    The hijab is not their to stop men falling in love. This is a misconception. Islam teaches muslim's to lower their gaze when in front of non-related oppisite sex. Their are plenty of Hadith whereby the prophet was travel with females and he told them to walk behind them.

    Islam teaches modesty.
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    Please watch the above vid and tell
    me what you think

    (Original post by tabmax22)
    I was merely retaliating to the snubby comment you made about me making a decision at 15 saying 'all about me' as a character. You haven't touched me at all. I'm just having a discussion trying to rationally dispute things. It is you, if anyone, who is on the front foot with everything.

    (Original post by tania<3)
    They're both meaningless terms, and when I actually ask people what they mean by "test" they don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer lol. It's just a phrase that people use out of habit, but it really annoys me.



    There are good and bad things about Western lifestyles, as there are about Middle-Eastern and Asian lifestyles. I for one don't drink or eat pork, but I see it as personal preferences and lifestyle choices, rather than "my religion tells me not to".
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Ohhh

    I thought you said it was only for Islam...... Awks.

    Was your name always Tania or did you change it when you left Islam.
    Well I was talking about Islam in that context but I do think most religions are a way of life too so no, not just Islam.

    Loool it's complicated - I was born with a different and more complicated name, which I have to use "officially" but my mum didn't like it (it was chosen by my gran lol) so she called me Tania xD
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Why are 95% of ex muslims south asian?
    I honestly think you guys became atheist due to your cultural/personal issues and not Islam itself.
    Yeah because we admit it, I know some arab guys who say there muslim but go drinking, clubing and never read namaaz ect.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Beuaty for Men and Women in Islam is defined differently.

    Islam teaches modesty which applies to both male and females.

    This is not oppresion. The hijab does not strip them of their Identity. You are sexist for thinking a women's Identity is in her hair.

    The hijab is not their to stop men falling in love. This is a misconception. Islam teaches muslim's to lower their gaze when in front of non-related oppisite sex. Their are plenty of Hadith whereby the prophet was travel with females and he told them to walk behind them.

    Islam teaches modesty.
    We wouldn't have any problems if the religion considered men and women to be equals in the first place. Like seriously, here in England, women can dress with however they want and still be respected. Same goes for men. Why is there a need for a veil for them to feel 'protected'?
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    (Original post by tania<3)
    They're both meaningless terms, and when I actually ask people what they mean by "test" they don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer lol. It's just a phrase that people use out of habit, but it really annoys me.



    There are good and bad things about Western lifestyles, as there are about Middle-Eastern and Asian lifestyles. I for one don't drink or eat pork, but I see it as personal preferences and lifestyle choices, rather than "my religion tells me not to".
    It is is also a personal choice in Islam . Due to having free will an importnant component in Islam. You can choose to sin or not, Islam provides guidelines it is for you to choose them.

    This life is a test. By test I mean a test. As in you pass or Fail.

    Your Sin's and good deed's are weighed up some sin's and good deed's have more weighting than others. Each individual is undertakes a different type of test for example, rich or poor.

    Verily, We shall put you to test with some fear, and hunger, and with some loss of wealth, lives, and offspring. And (O Muhammad) convey good tidings to those who are patient, who say, when inflicted by hardship, "Verily we are of God and verily to Him shall we return;" upon them is the blessings of Allah and His mercy. (2:155)

    Verily, We created man from a drop of mingled sperm so that We may test him; and therefore We made him hearing and seeing. We have indeed showed him the way, now he be grateful or ungrateful. (76:3)



    Hope I have explained it better.
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    I appreciate the sentiment that the guy is getting across, but it doesn't really do much for me. I identify as agnostic, so I can't disprove that there is a God, but at the same time I don't really feel the need to believe in a higher being.

    Also it might be because I'm a medic but the "fluid that created man" did not come from a gland between the ribs and the backbone :lol: guy probably used those words because they rhymed xD
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    Please watch the above vid and tell
    me what you think
    I watched the video. There are so many faults in it. Importantly though, something can come from nothing. I'm not qualified enough to fully explained the physics behind the concept. But if you are curious to educate yourself, read Something from Nothing by Krauss or just watch one of his lectures.

    Secondly, going by his logic that everything has a creator, who created Allah?
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    (Original post by tabmax22)
    We wouldn't have any problems if the religion considered men and women to be equals in the first place. Like seriously, here in England, women can dress with however they want and still be respected. Same goes for men. Why is there a need for a veil for them to feel 'protected'?
    OMG.........

    I have already said women wear the Hijab out of Modesty not protection or anything else.

    I don't think you read my post

    Beuaty for Men and Women in Islam is defined differently.

    Islam teaches modesty which applies to both male and females.

    This is not oppresion. The hijab does not strip them of their Identity. You are sexist for thinking a women's Identity is in her hair.

    "The hijab is not their to stop men falling in love. This is a misconception. Islam teaches muslim's to lower their gaze when in front of non-related oppisite sex. Their are plenty of Hadith whereby the prophet was travel with females and he told them to walk behind them.

    Islam teaches modesty. "
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    (Original post by tania<3)
    Well I was talking about Islam in that context but I do think most religions are a way of life too so no, not just Islam.

    Loool it's complicated - I was born with a different and more complicated name, which I have to use "officially" but my mum didn't like it (it was chosen by my gran lol) so she called me Tania xD
    You should see my passport it's like an essay of all my ancestors names.
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    (Original post by tabmax22)
    Science does not claim to have all the answers. Science is open to falsification and is willing to accept evidence which contradicts it, unlike religion. Yes, science does not have all the answers but it seeks to find out the answers in a sensible manner. Religion, however, seeks to answer questions by just filling in the blanks with its dogmatic ideologies: 'Well if there isn't any possible explanation to it, it must have been God!'.
    Dude that was great do want a cookie.
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    (Original post by tabmax22)
    I watched the video. There are so many faults in it. Importantly though, something can come from nothing. I'm not qualified enough to fully explained the physics behind the concept. But if you are curious to educate yourself, read Something from Nothing by Krauss or just watch one of his lectures.

    Secondly, going by his logic that everything has a creator, who created Allah?
    Allah has no Creator.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    is that really a question?

    -no need to marry a muslim woman
    -no need to circumcise son
    -no prohibited foods and drinks
    Muslim men can still marry women from Abrahim religions (jews, christians)

    Circumcising isn't cumpolsory

    There is a good reason behind why Islam forbids certain food. Here is a link which explains for you as i'm on my phone and unable to type it all for you ( look at the best answer)
    https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...3001714AAFRMYD

    -no obligation to pray or fast
    -a bigger and wider view on the world based on rationality and logic (not saying muslims are irrational and illogical, but atheism is entirely based on rationality and logic)
    Its as if you're implying praying and fasting are bad. Scientists have proven seeral times fasting has many health benefits. Praying is only burdensome for lazy people. The spiritual effects of praying is something many muslims wouldn't exchange for the whole world and what's in it.

    Lol atheists love to argue they're the only rational ones. No surprises there. I'm not even going to go into detail on this one because its a very complex issue and its almost 3am and i'm tired.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Allah has no Creator.
    So I can justify the existence of my deity by claiming that something cannot come from nothing, but it's absolutely fine for my deity to have come for nothing for convenience sake.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    OMG.........

    I have already said women wear the Hijab out of Modesty not protection or anything else.

    I don't think you read my post

    Beuaty for Men and Women in Islam is defined differently.

    Islam teaches modesty which applies to both male and females.

    This is not oppresion. The hijab does not strip them of their Identity. You are sexist for thinking a women's Identity is in her hair.

    "The hijab is not their to stop men falling in love. This is a misconception. Islam teaches muslim's to lower their gaze when in front of non-related oppisite sex. Their are plenty of Hadith whereby the prophet was travel with females and he told them to walk behind them.

    Islam teaches modesty. "
    And how is showing your skin being immodest? If it's a hot day, why would it deemed to be immodest and wrong for a woman to wear shorts? You clearly do not understand the philosophy from which I'm coming from.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    It is is also a personal choice in Islam . Due to having free will an importnant component in Islam. You can choose to sin or not, Islam provides guidelines it is for you to choose them.

    This life is a test. By test I mean a test. As in you pass or Fail.

    Your Sin's and good deed's are weighed up some sin's and good deed's have more weighting than others. Each individual is undertakes a different type of test for example, rich or poor.

    Verily, We shall put you to test with some fear, and hunger, and with some loss of wealth, lives, and offspring. And (O Muhammad) convey good tidings to those who are patient, who say, when inflicted by hardship, "Verily we are of God and verily to Him shall we return;" upon them is the blessings of Allah and His mercy. (2:155)

    Verily, We created man from a drop of mingled sperm so that We may test him; and therefore We made him hearing and seeing. We have indeed showed him the way, now he be grateful or ungrateful. (76:3)



    Hope I have explained it better.
    Well, I don't know. What if you are someone who has lived a very morally-middle life? Perhaps you didn't do many good deeds but you didn't do many bad either? It kinda implies that there's a "bank" of good/bad deeds which is being added up, and I don't think life comes down to that.

    I just think do whatever you can to be a good person, regardless of what you believe in. If you can die believing you brought some good to this world then I would say that you've lived a successful life.

    However my comment was directed at people who say that the reason that bad things happen to good people is that God is testing them, rather than life being a test by God overall.
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    (Original post by tania<3)
    I appreciate the sentiment that the guy is getting across, but it doesn't really do much for me. I identify as agnostic, so I can't disprove that there is a God, but at the same time I don't really feel the need to believe in a higher being.

    Also it might be because I'm a medic but the "fluid that created man" did not come from a gland between the ribs and the backbone :lol: guy probably used those words because they rhymed xD


    Seeing as your a medic.


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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Allah has no Creator.
    So Allah can have no creator and exist, but is not possible for a universe to come from nothing? Also, the concept of nothing is not what you think it is. Nothing can't really be nothing.
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    (Original post by tania<3)
    Well, I don't know. What if you are someone who has lived a very morally-middle life? Perhaps you didn't do many good deeds but you didn't do many bad either? It kinda implies that there's a "bank" of good/bad deeds which is being added up, and I don't think life comes down to that.

    I just think do whatever you can to be a good person, regardless of what you believe in. If you can die believing you brought some good to this world then I would say that you've lived a successful life.

    However my comment was directed at people who say that the reason that bad things happen to good people is that God is testing them, rather than life being a test by God overall.
    Suffering is part of the "test" aswell.
 
 
 
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