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    (Original post by godd)
    I would say KCL is probably as well known as LSE and UCL worldwide. Imperial although top notch, has this problem that not everyone has heard of it outside of the UK. Though it's probably just behind of KCL in terms of recognition worldwide.
    yeah, I forgot about KCL which is also up there. And I did not even know how good Imperial was until about a year ago and i'm applying for uni 2015.
    I think in the future Imperial will become recognized as a top 10 institute but not in 5 years.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    It's a pretty solid study, from the NYTimes at that. One or two articles is more than you have provided.
    just do a google search if you want, it is outside the top 15 worldwide in most articles and in top 15 in some some such as NYTimes.
    Diff writers have different views. This is very subjective.
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    (Original post by ETRC)
    just do a google search if you want, it is outside the top 15 worldwide in most articles and in top 15 in some some such as NYTimes.
    Diff writers have different views. This is very subjective.
    Why don't you provide me a few?
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    Edinburgh Medical School if applying to USA as a doctor?

    Its graduates founded the ivy league medical schools...
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    (Original post by Surrey Bubble15)
    You do a STEM subject don't you?
    No I studied Law. Pardon my ignorance but I struggle to see how many opportunities a history degree presents. Maybe I'm wrong.
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    (Original post by ETRC)
    One or two articles does not prove anything.
    it is known that Imperial is not as big outside of UK.
    Nonsense. It has an excellent reputation worldwide. There's oxbridge, then there's lse and imperial, and ucl (but ucl, being less specialised, is slightly less famous).

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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I should point out that Mozart ought to have been starting his GCSEs when he wrote his 9th symphony.
    And Beethoven was deaf when he composed some of his masterpieces! Geniuses like that are a statistical anomaly, usually mistrusted and despised when alive, and only celebrated in death.

    However, this forum seems to have an unusual amount of geniuses. It's hard work to find a thread not filled with Oxbridge students/graduates with Mensa IQ's and the grandiose self importance of premiership football players. If only they applied themselves to curing cancer instead of telling us how intelligent and important they are.

    Alas, I digress. Excuse me.
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    (Original post by EdmundBurke)
    And Beethoven was deaf when he composed some of his masterpieces! Geniuses like that are a statistical anomaly, usually mistrusted and despised when alive, and only celebrated in death.

    However, this forum seems to have an unusual amount of geniuses. It's hard work to find a thread not filled with Oxbridge students/graduates with Mensa IQ's and the grandiose self importance of premiership football players. If only they applied themselves to curing cancer instead of telling us how intelligent and important they are.

    Alas, I digress. Excuse me.
    Wait, which threads are you referring to filled with arrogant Oxbridge students/graduates? Funnily enough near enough all arrogance I come across on this forum is not even from undergraduates, let alone Oxbridge undergraduates.
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    This how thread is just one big "I went to oxbridge or a russel group I'm entitled to this job"....

    A lot of you need some real life experience and to lose your sense of snobberish entitlement.

    And no I didn't get rejected from either of those, I just have a real problem with students who care more about the name of a uni than what it actually teaches, these same students who then think they'll get a job straight after uni, and they don't.
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    considering the amount of people in the world who CANT go to university or those who don't even TRY to get in to university- ANY university matters.

    The point is, no matter where you go - you will learn how to rationalize, argue, and present your ideas. You will learn new skills and earn a degree at the end. Don't put institutions down just because it doesn't live up to the insufferable standards of other universities. if someone wants to do furniture design as a degree you have no right to say it doesn't matter. They are working hard to do something they want to do. People who go to russell group universities obviously get an advantage in prospects, but when it comes to the temperaments and heart of the people there ALL universities are the same. Get a degree and work hard to get noticed and you will be successful. dont doubt yourself and don't listen to people who call your university crappy.

    on a world stage- yes- russell groups are more well known. HOWEVER, if Ettore Sottsass saw a furniture design students work and went WOW and employed them, youd realize it doesnt matter.

    people in the world fight for education (especially womens education)- the large amount of universities and opportunities for ALL (not just the elite) is a beautiful thing and shouldn't be put down.
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    (Original post by Dr Alcoholic)
    Well considering the vast majority of graduates that go work abroad aren't from these unis, then no.

    TBH I reckon the uk and the USA are the two worst countries that put so much emphasis on things like uni ranking etc. Uni ranking is a relatively new thing, before that it was more about the ability of the individual than what uni they went to.
    From what I've heard, the UK (can't really speak for the US) is actually much more open-minded about this than many countries in Asia. Obviously this is a rather sweeping statement, but top employers in east Asia seem to place more emphasis on academic achievement - including the reputation of the alma mater - than top employers here.
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    (Original post by sellerofdreams)
    Nonsense. It has an excellent reputation worldwide. There's oxbridge, then there's lse and imperial, and ucl (but ucl, being less specialised, is slightly less famous).

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    I do wonder whether the difference between UCL's and LSE's reputation has less to do with their qualities and more to do with the fact that 'London School of Economics' is a more instructive name than 'University College London'...

    I wasn't aware that Imperial was particularly well-known overseas.
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    It seems like the question may have been answered somewhat. OP's assumption is erroneous in two ways. The main one was assuming Oxbridge are the only Unis appreciated by global employers and institutions. UCL, LSE, Imperial and Durham are all ranked rather highly by global employers. In reality, all RG unis and most top 50 will get your foot in the door at the majority of foreign firms. Secondly, there is the assumption that only a degree matters. It is certainly true that it is what you do with that degree. If you are hardworking, committed, and you achieve exemplar status at a lesser university such as Manchester Met, you have everything required to succeed on the international stage.
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    (Original post by thefailure)
    On the world stage and in the eyes of foreign employers.
    Pretty much. They are the only universities that are known around the world among most employers.

    Yes UCL, Imperial, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Kings and Manchester are well known but the gap between Oxbridge and the rest is huge. Oxford in particular is more well known than Cambridge in the US.
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    From what I've heard, the UK (can't really speak for the US) is actually much more open-minded about this than many countries in Asia. Obviously this is a rather sweeping statement, but top employers in east Asia seem to place more emphasis on academic achievement - including the reputation of the alma mater - than top employers here.
    Yes, in Asia they follow the world rankings almost religiously. Often, the only people you see questioning the rankings of so and so program are internationals as they know that when they go back, their employers will be wondering.

    In China for instance the main bank only looks at internationals who graduate from the top 100 universities world wide. However, this is very misleading as some universities on that list are massive state institutitions that do well on the world rankings due to sheer size of research rather than any sort of undergraduate prestige. Rejecting a student from Dartmouth for a student from University of Toronto for instance would be a grave mistake. As the student from Dartmouth is likely more competitive than all but the top Toronto students.
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    (Original post by TheWaffle)
    Huh? On international league tables Manchester is one of the very top in the Uk. When I lived abroad many people had heard of it

    UoM has street fame that's not the same as academic excellence. Street fame comes from things like football not high professional or academic standards.

    You sound like a South East Asian
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    (Original post by mrkl)
    UoM has street fame that's not the same as academic excellence. Street fame comes from things like football not high professional or academic standards.

    You sound like a South East Asian
    Haha no I think they were talking about academics to be fair. It does have a good place on the international rankings.

    But they were also incredibly impressed by my story that me and my brother went to a Manchester United youth training camp and he went in a... wait for it... Manchester City training kit :eek:
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    (Original post by Okorange)

    In China for instance the main bank only looks at internationals who graduate from the top 100 universities world wide. However, this is very misleading as some universities on that list are massive state institutitions that do well on the world rankings due to sheer size of research rather than any sort of undergraduate prestige. Rejecting a student from Dartmouth for a student from University of Toronto for instance would be a grave mistake. As the student from Dartmouth is likely more competitive than all but the top Toronto students.

    True . It also means that a Vienna university grad would be rejected in favour of Manchester when Manc doesn't even figure in the UK's top 25.

    Vienna on the other hand is one of the Oxbridges of Europe with a stunning alumni.

    Stupid to base recruitment on footballing fame, absolutely dumb. But hey their money their funeral.
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    (Original post by Ben_Dover)
    No I studied Law. Pardon my ignorance but I struggle to see how many opportunities a history degree presents. Maybe I'm wrong.
    Ok, don't be bitter about studying one of the world's most boring degrees, where you can if you want do history and then go into law.
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    (Original post by Surrey Bubble15)
    Ok, don't be bitter about studying one of the world's most boring degrees, where you can if you want do history and then go into law.
    Haha I thoroughly enjoyed law. The only regret I have is not doing a PhD in law.

    You can do any degree and go into law by doing the conversion course. My point is a history degree in itself doesn't present many opportunities
 
 
 
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