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Lawyers have been complaining about the tap of tax payers money being restricted.

I've yet to meet a poor lawyer.
They perhaps can't afford to socialise with you.

From last year's survey, 25% of assistant solicitors in the south west were earning £27,500 or less. 25% of equity partners in the south west were earning £27,000 or less.

Not exactly the breadline, but not a fortune either.
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Lawyers have been complaining about the tap of tax payers money being restricted.

I've yet to meet a poor lawyer.
You haven't been looking hard enough then.
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Oh gawd, sounds like we have another anti-capitalist here
Nope. I love capitalism. Crony capitalism and private monopolies on essential goods are however not good.

The free market is great for wants but it usually fails where needs are involved. The market in needs is inherently unstable and likely to collapse into monopoly, we call this a natural monopoly.

Monopolies are better held by the government than private corporations as governments are accountable to all citizens, not just the narrow subset of them who own enough shares to control the corporation. If corporate governance in the delivery of essential services were reformed to make it similarly democratic then corporations could effectively run essential services.

The disconnect we have in debates about capitalism is we think what's good for a corporation is also good for small businesses. In reality, corporations and governments are similar and small businesses and the people are similar. Having the same rules, broadly speaking, for corporations and for small businesses (in fact things are usually made easier for corporations...) will only entrench corporations' advantage in the market. It does not make for the endlessly self-renewing market free marketeers imagine. Like governments, corporations and monopoly usually stifle innovation, progress and competition and prolong the life of corporates long past their usefulness to society. Their control is still not quite as total as governments, true, but that is balanced out by their lack of mechanisms for accountability to all stakeholders.

These are not new, dangerous or crackpot ideas, you know. What I have outlined above was nothing more or less than the economic policy of the Liberal Party before the rise of Labour, trade union collectivism and contributory social security. This position was called "free trade" which basically meant "regulate monopolies in order to keep markets free", and it went up against the Tories' laissez-faire approach.
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They perhaps can't afford to socialise with you.

From last year's survey, 25% of assistant solicitors in the south west were earning £27,500 or less. 25% of equity partners in the south west were earning £27,000 or less.

Not exactly the breadline, but not a fortune either.
Assistant. I.e newly qualified.
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"People who require other people's money to survive"
Corporations. Landlords. Rentiers.

"People who have to pay extortionate amounts of money..."
The working and non-working poor, the middle classes.

"...because 30% 1% of our population are just plain stupid/useless"
Corporations. Landlords. Rentiers.

"If we werent so generous with the sheer scale of benefits corporate welfare/corporate tax avoidance and other public services crony capitalism/socialism for the rich crap, we wouldnt need to tax people so much."

"ps Corporations will get away with tax because if you dont like it they can sack all their UK employees and relocate. Then what are you going to do?"

Let the parasites **** off back to their little islands. The British people don't need them. If there is a need, our entrepreneurs will build dynamic, modern businesses to fill it. Or do you not believe in the invisible hand of the market? Megacorporations are zombie companies that hold back growth and development, just like governments. They represent the dead hand of monopoly - and all natural monopolies incompatible with the free market should be accountable to the people, and therefore run by government.

It's an insult to the people of Britain and the world to suggest that we can't get by without these lazy, feckless parasites.
Landlords are evil because they charge people to live in THEIR property which they bought using THEIR money? Erm- am I missing something? :rolleyes:
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Haskell programmer with Maths Degree earns 160,000 per anum. Dont think so!

High frequency trading ftw!
Care to show me the job spec? and which company are you referring to?
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...What? Are you seriously using the 19th Century belief that people are poor because they're stupid/lazy/useless?

And my solution is to stand up to these corporations. Improve corporate regulation and prevent them from bullying the population. If they leave, fine. It's not going to be pleasant but at least it'll be one less source of corruption. I can't believe you seriously think we should allow them to do whatever they hell they want?
Care to tell me why poor people are poor then?

How many people visiting food banks have A Levels in Maths and Chemistry? :rolleyes:
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Unless you have the connections or the luck to intern at a major law firm during university, you are likely to incur a time cost of at least six years training to be a lawyer
Oh so getting a law internship is either connections or luck- isn't because you were good enough?


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Your statement that there is no elite is simply, and increasingly, wrong. Wealth inequality is ever higher as light-touch regulation allows wealth to be sucked out of the economy by rentiers. Your perception of what the elite is is probably very much skewed. The professional middle classes are not, and never have been, the elite, because they don't have rentiership over the lucrative and productive parts of the economy - that's why they have to work for a living. They can gain some control over lucrative and productive parts of the economy, like housing, investments and by setting up their own consultancies, usually at the end of a decades-long period of work, whereupon they have the option to retire, but that doesn't make them the elite.
My point is you talk as if one cannot be outside the elite and then become part of the elite. They can- its very possible. Its not easy, but its possible.

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Furthermore, you say "you could have been successful, but you blew it". Even if I were successful, that would only prevent someone else from being successful. It is therefore trivial to conclude that not everyone can be successful through hard work. And on the other side of the coin, since me "blowing it" means a candidate that would not have been good enough to succeed had I not blown it is now successful despite being the exact same ability, it shows that not everyone who is successful can have worked appreciably hard.
That is why life is about competition. Being good isn't good enough- you have to be better than everyone else. Everything is relative.
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He's a professional Daily Mail reader. It's not a pleasant job.
Telegraph- limit to 20 articles per month
FT- subscription only
Express- their website is an eyesore
Times- subscription only
BBC/Guardian- socialist propaganda
Mail- only use it for the sport section

Have ventured on to independent website but wasn't overly impressed.
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Landlords are evil because they charge people to live in THEIR property which they bought using THEIR money? Erm- am I missing something? :rolleyes:
The tenants are the ones buying the landlord the house by working to pay the rent. Most BTLs are mortgaged (I don't personally see how it's any less immoral renting out a house owned outright, but...)
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Oh so getting a law internship is either connections or luck- isn't because you were good enough?
Well yes, law is by far the worst profession for this sort of thing.

My point is you talk as if one cannot be outside the elite and then become part of the elite. They can- its very possible. Its not easy, but its possible.
That's not very comforting - because even if I do it, there are millions who could not, not due to lack of ability, but due to lack of space. Unlike you, I wouldn't then turn around and denigrate the people who didn't make it.

That is why life is about competition. Being good isn't good enough- you have to be better than everyone else. Everything is relative.
Precisely - so we could be rid of all the fee-paying after-school qualifications and select future lawyers by A-level results.

Oh, by the way, I notice you didn't respond to my analysis of how much it costs to train a lawyer. Can you defend that without admitting that the qualifications are there as a barrier to entry? I'm guessing not...
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The tenants are the ones buying the landlord the house by working to pay the rent. Most BTLs are mortgaged (I don't personally see how it's any less immoral renting out a house owned outright, but...)
That is the tenant's problem for being unsuccessful and having no money. If they had the finances of the landlord - dont kid yourself they wouldn't BTL!
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Telegraph- limit to 20 articles per month
FT- subscription only
Express- their website is an eyesore
Times- subscription only
BBC/Guardian- socialist propaganda
Mail- only use it for the sport section

Have ventured on to independent website but wasn't overly impressed.
Christ almighty - you really think the BBC is socialist?

Those Telegraph articles must really be potent.
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That is the tenant's problem for being unsuccessful and having no money. If they had the finances of the landlord - dont kid yourself they wouldn't BTL!
Of course they would BTL. And that's why the government needs to take radical action to restrict it - it's a licence to print money.

Having to rent a house in itself makes the tenant unsuccessful and having no money - because all their rent is going to pay the lazy, feckless landlord's mortgage, plus a month-to-month return higher and with less risk than almost any other investment.

Seriously, both you and I, and the rest of the forum, know you're just wilfully obstinate and obtuse over this sort of thing. You simply can't be genuinely too stupid to understand this.

BTL is disgusting and needs to be seriously curtailed if not banned outright. You can't play Monopoly with human necessities like shelter, and if people insist on doing so then the government needs to increase supply.

It really is the classic example of market failure and why governments, as representatives of the majority, need to be empowered to make strong and radical interventions to correct the market.
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Why do you feel you have to lie?

For somebody who claims now to make £160k a year on top of growing out of Aspergers. You do come across as pond life who's more interested in keeping disabled people in the Stone Age in order to secure your JSA.
But when a rich person does the same, they're derided for being a "champagne socialist". Which is it to be?
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But when a rich person does the same, they're derided for being a "champagne socialist". Which is it to be?
There's a huge difference between champagne socialists and illegal to be poor. He's just a chod.
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Assistant. I.e newly qualified.
That's a good wage for some lawyers who are not newly qualified.

You should read up on the subject a little.
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What Billy doesn't seem to understand is that Capitalism is a zero sum game. Its either 0 or 1. Someone loses and someone wins.

And that person who wins will spend a portion of his wealth for his daily needs. He will save 99% of it and use 1% where as everyone who slaves under him will gradually spend more and save less. This is why we have a pyramid structure. And that is Capitalism.

And as you clearly said that it costs a lot to be a lawyer. So this means the wealthier you are the more chance you have to win and the poorer you are the more chance you have to lose.

The rich protect the Pyramid because the rich dont want to work as hard as everyone else and want their opponents to shrug and think we need guys like these rich ceos because there the ones that create the jobs ............

LMAO! The degree of stupidity of useless eaters.
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There's a huge difference between champagne socialists and illegal to be poor. He's just a chod.
More insults for me? Your such a thoughtful poster. I would report this but I don't want to bother the admins. They are probably playing their favorite computer games at this time.
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But when a rich person does the same, they're derided for being a "champagne socialist". Which is it to be?
He just doesn't like me. For 1 someone on JSA isn't going to be online at 5am in the morning getting ready for LSE to open.
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