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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    This is pointless as as another poster has already said science IS a part of philosophy. What we typically refer to as analytic philosopher comes both before and after science. It tells the scientists how to go about getting results, the scientists goes and gets the results, then the philosophy interprets and applies to meaning of the results. The two go completely hand and in hand and without the other both would be meaningless, this is because there is no "real" distinction. Science is a part of the philosophical method. Philosophical method just being the way to identify truth.

    It's like how scientists do a study to see how there is a correlation with fat intake in a diet and heart disease. Great, the "scientists" told us what the data is, but science doesn't in anyway tell us how to interpret such data, it's meaning in correspondence with reality and so on. That's philosophy, nothing in the "scientific" method lets you do that. If you say it does then meta-physics becomes truly indifferentiable from normal physics.
    Look, I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't contribute to humans intellectually. But I've come to believe that we're more indebted to science in our understanding of ourselves and things around us. Maybe it's because of my physics background, but if you think of e.g. relativity or quantum mechanics, I don't think philosophy alone would have ever thought about some of the things contradictory to common sense that can be found in those theories. I also don't think that the scientists who developed those theories, or Darwin, or any one else would go to a philosopher saying "We've got this theory (as the 'data'). Tell us what it means!"
    And I'm looking at things thinking of what a scientist does vs what a philosopher does, not from the point of view that they come hand in hand, or the influence of philosophy in scientific method, etc.
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    I think you might both be arguing at crossed purposes.

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    I also don't think that the scientists who developed those theories, or Darwin, or any one else would go to a philosopher saying "We've got this theory (as the 'data'). Tell us what it means!"
    Darwin was a natural philosopher.

    Get advanced enough in your science and you get given a PhD which is a doctorate in ... philosophy.


    There are the philosophers who do the big questions: why are we here? Where does morality come from? What is consciousness? I think you mean these level of philosophy.


    Then each science has a range of people from field or bench or lab scientists doing experiments, through their professors or lab managers, to the philosophers of that field.

    Einstein was a philosopher: he did not do experiments in the lab. He sat on his bum and thought stuff up. But he was a physicist.

    The bloke in chemistry who had the dream about the snake biting its tail and solved the benzene ring problem - he was a philosopher of chemistry.


    These philosophers of their sciences are the ones coming up with the likes of string theory or multiverses. They don't prove anything, except by logic or mathematics. What follows is someone in a white coat who says "Hang on, I can think of an experiment to test that..." and off they go.



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    Yes. I believe in God but if there is Heaven and Hell i doubt God's going to put you in hell just because you go to a church instead of a mosque or vice versa. Religion makes people way too dramatic. It's quite simple if you think about it.

    Intentions and who you are as a person matters. I'm so tired of 'My God is bigger than your God' and 'There is no God' conversations. We have a conscience and the ability to differentiate between right and wrong. To me, that's enough.

    But this is just my opinion as a kid so...
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    (Original post by IWantToBeThere)
    Look, I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't contribute to humans intellectually. But I've come to believe that we're more indebted to science in our understanding of ourselves and things around us. Maybe it's because of my physics background, but if you think of e.g. relativity or quantum mechanics, I don't think philosophy alone would have ever thought about some of the things contradictory to common sense that can be found in those theories. I also don't think that the scientists who developed those theories, or Darwin, or any one else would go to a philosopher saying "We've got this theory (as the 'data'). Tell us what it means!"
    And I'm looking at things thinking of what a scientist does vs what a philosopher does, not from the point of view that they come hand in hand, or the influence of philosophy in scientific method, etc.
    Yes and those people who study the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics are philosophers. Meta-physicians precisely. Those who are obsessed with scientism tend to say that anybody who does "science" as they define it cannot be a philosopher. Essentially that a philosopher is by definition someone who doesn't understand science. That's not what philosophers are. As the

    I don't think you understand that what Einstein did and what modern physicists do is part of philosophy. It is an inevitable specialising of it. It is only because of the way our social structures and economy is structured that we now call philosophy something distinct from "natural science". Modern philosophers take the work and physics and go forward from there, they're on the same path not walking around looking at totally different things and ignoring everything physicists have brought to the table. No, instead they are taking it, interpreting it and telling us how that data the physicist gives us applies to the world.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Yes and those people who study the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics are philosophers. Meta-physicians precisely. Those who are obsessed with scientism tend to say that anybody who does "science" as they define it cannot be a philosopher. Essentially that a philosopher is by definition someone who doesn't understand science. That's not what philosophers are. As the

    I don't think you understand that what Einstein did and what modern physicists do is part of philosophy. It is an inevitable specialising of it. It is only because of the way our social structures and economy is structured that we now call philosophy something distinct from "natural science". Modern philosophers take the work and physics and go forward from there, they're on the same path not walking around looking at totally different things and ignoring everything physicists have brought to the table. No, instead they are taking it, interpreting it and telling us how that data the physicist gives us applies to the world.
    Ok, I understand where you're coming from. By your general definition of philosopher, you're right. But I was making a distinction between scientists and philosophers by the typical background they come from. And you seem to tend to call every scientist who ponders their subject intellectually, at least those in theory, a philosopher. Again, part of your general definition I guess.
    Btw, I didn't know there was a "correct interpretation" of quantum mechanics.
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    (Original post by IWantToBeThere)
    Ok, I understand where you're coming from. By your general definition of philosopher, you're right. But I was making a distinction between scientists and philosophers by the typical background they come from. And you seem to tend to call every scientist who ponders their subject intellectually, at least those in theory, a philosopher. Again, part of your general definition I guess.
    Btw, I didn't know there was a "correct interpretation" of quantum mechanics.
    Well obviously there is only one correct interpretation of reality because reality is one such way, abiding by one set of laws. All of our current interpretations may be wrong but... Yeah.

    Indeed this is my point though. All good scientists engage in philosophy and value philosophy. Likewise all good philosophers engage in science and value science. Both disciplines are aimed at the same goal - learning the truths of the world.
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    (Original post by amenahussein)
    Yes indeed I do! This world is way too complex and way to astonishing to be an accident..


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    (Original post by Hayley Williams)
    I was a "catholic" when I was younger but am now an atheist.


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    That's interesting why so? What happened to make you change your mind?
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    (Original post by amenahussein)
    Yes indeed I do! This world is way too complex and way to astonishing to be an accident..


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    I agree there is a supreme creactor who is beyond our imagination

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    (Original post by Fallen99)
    I agree there is a supreme creactor who is beyond our imagination

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    Of-course!
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    (Original post by amenahussein)
    Of-course!
    R u muslim u name sounds like it

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    (Original post by Fallen99)
    R u muslim u name sounds like it

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    I am indeed, named after the prophets mother. Hehe
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    Which one? I think any are very unlikely but am not comfortable putting a number on it. Safe to say likelihood far from 50-50.
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    (Original post by amenahussein)
    I am indeed, named after the prophets mother. Hehe
    Same here my name is also wht ur name is just the spelling is different

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    (Original post by Fallen99)
    Same here my name is also wht ur name is just the spelling is different

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    Aaah ok! Salaams
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    W.Salam

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    (Original post by mrocd2014)
    Which god do you believe in?
    I am a Muslim, so my merciful Lord, the most compassionate, Āllaah.


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    I consider myself Agnostic but I'm leaning towards not caring entirely. Whether God exists or not has no importance in my life.
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    I believe in God yes.
    Im muslim too if that counts for anything.
 
 
 
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