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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    And some people who claim to be innocent to fight extradition

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-States.html

    are actually guilty

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-1m-fraud.html
    So? Some are innocent and have been sold downt he river by our compliant, 51st state cowards.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    So? Some are innocent and have been sold downt he river by our compliant, 51st state cowards.
    Do you want to name any?
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    So? Some are innocent and have been sold downt he river by our compliant, 51st state cowards.
    Since US trials work much the same way as ours, why is the risk to an innocent person of being tried there greater than here?

    They even kept some safeguards we abandoned, like inadmissibility of hearsay, and double jeopardy protections.
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    (Original post by SerLorasTyrell)
    Why are you dragging this discussion somewhere else? I agree with the OP, deal with it.
    I think it's an important point. Populist parties are not only denigrating our political system but presenting everything as easy choices and using blatant deception to achieve their ends.

    This is part of the reason why people trot out these anti-politician views: groups like UKIP, the SNP and, to a lesser extent, the Greens are giving credibility to some absolutely wacko views when. If we want better politics, we need to stand up to these groups and challenge them on the nonsense they come out with.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    1)There was footage of yes votes going on a no pile.
    I'm sure that's very comforting to the absolute psychopaths who swallow this sort of thing. In reality, all vote counts go on in front of observers from each side, and no complaints were made about the conduct of the referendum.

    I saw the video you cite. Had you ever been to an election count, you'd know fine well that votes are verified before counting, where they are all grouped together.

    You have to be a special sort of tinfoil hatter to claim that a referendum, run by the Scottish Government and in full view of everyone, was rigged by outside forces.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I'm sure that's very comforting to the absolute psychopaths who swallow this sort of thing. In reality, all vote counts go on in front of observers from each side, and no complaints were made about the conduct of the referendum.

    I saw the video you cite. Had you ever been to an election count, you'd know fine well that votes are verified before counting, where they are all grouped together.

    You have to be a special sort of tinfoil hatter to claim that a referendum, run by the Scottish Government and in full view of everyone, was rigged by outside forces.
    Dont be so naive mate, do you even know about the rothschild illuminati contract that was running the thing for our reptilian queen?

    the sad thing is the people who swallow this stuff can't see how privileged they are to exist in an environment where they've got to make up imaginary threats to their existence.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I'm sure that's very comforting to the absolute psychopaths who swallow this sort of thing. In reality, all vote counts go on in front of observers from each side, and no complaints were made about the conduct of the referendum.

    I saw the video you cite. Had you ever been to an election count, you'd know fine well that votes are verified before counting, where they are all grouped together.

    You have to be a special sort of tinfoil hatter to claim that a referendum, run by the Scottish Government and in full view of everyone, was rigged by outside forces.
    I obviously didn't mean by outside forces though, I just meant a few biased vote counters being idiots. For the record, I didn't want Yes, but I do want a lot of devolution and a federal UK.

    But, this has gone off topic somewhat.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I obviously didn't mean by outside forces though, I just meant a few biased vote counters being idiots.
    Yet there's not a single shred of credible evidence for that, whatsoever.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I obviously didn't mean by outside forces though, I just meant a few biased vote counters being idiots. For the record, I didn't want Yes, but I do want a lot of devolution and a federal UK.

    But, this has gone off topic somewhat.
    Why do you want a federal UK?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Why do you want a federal UK?
    I want a republic, federalism aids that goal, and also the UK is only really delivering for one specific region, and only a small percentage of that region benefit, the inequality grows. I think a federal UK, like the german model, would make regions more competitive and thriving. I don't want to be in the EU though, I think we should have a federation and constitution like the US.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I want a republic, federalism aids that goal, and also the UK is only really delivering for one specific region, and only a small percentage of that region benefit, the inequality grows. I think a federal UK, like the german model, would make regions more competitive and thriving. I don't want to be in the EU though, I think we should have a federation and constitution like the US.
    Can you explain how the UK only delivers for one specific region and what policies are in place to support only that one region.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Can you explain how the UK only delivers for one specific region and what policies are in place to support only that one region.
    You can look up the figures on it. But basically, we have no manufacturing, it was decimated, we are entirely reliant on London being run as a financial capital and world city, it's run like a casino, selling properties to oligarchs, Russians and Arabians. We have no industry in the regions. Ordinary people are priced out of housing and there are now gate enclaves and no-go estates. It's obvious how far the country has gone down the American route, hell places in London now have such a divide it's virtually South-American. People pay tax to the whole Uk, from wherever, no state tax like in the US, and it a lot gets invested in the south-east. There is no work up north, c'mon it's pretty obvious isn;t it?
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    Blair, Brown, Cameron and soon Miliband should be swinging from a tree.So yes I hate our government and what they've done to White British people.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    You can look up the figures on it. But basically, we have no manufacturing, it was decimated, we are entirely reliant on London being run as a financial capital and world city, it's run like a casino, selling properties to oligarchs, Russians and Arabians. We have no industry in the regions. Ordinary people are priced out of housing and there are now gate enclaves and no-go estates. It's obvious how far the country has gone down the American route, hell places in London now have such a divide it's virtually South-American. People pay tax to the whole Uk, from wherever, no state tax like in the US, and it a lot gets invested in the south-east. There is no work up north, c'mon it's pretty obvious isn;t it?
    http://www.parliament.uk/Templates/B...?bp-id=sn04033

    Pretty obvious that london and the SE generate more money than is spent on themselves even though they have some of the lowest public spending per capita in the UK?
    An factoring output has gtown year on year since ww2. We got rid of the unprofitable stuff.

    hows federalism going to stop that?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    http://www.parliament.uk/Templates/B...?bp-id=sn04033

    Pretty obvious that london and the SE generate more money than is spent on themselves even though they have some of the lowest public spending per capita in the UK?
    An factoring output has gtown year on year since ww2. We got rid of the unprofitable stuff.

    hows federalism going to stop that?
    Thats only cos all the jobs are there. They spend more to try and generate industry and save those places that are sinking. Federalism makes regions compete with each other and therefore work better, it's why Germany and the US have better systems and a better distribution of power and money throughout their countries.
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    (Original post by Anonymous1914)
    Blair, Brown, Cameron and soon Miliband should be swinging from a tree.So yes I hate our government and what they've done to White British people.
    How do you mean white british people? Working class British people?

    I think the white working class have been screwed over cynically in the name of apparent diversity which is actually just cheap labour and beneficial to big business. But I would never just attribute it all to 'immigration', it's far more wide reaching and complex.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Thats only cos all the jobs are there. They spend more to try and generate industry and save those places that are sinking. Federalism makes regions compete with each other and therefore work better, it's why Germany and the US have better systems and a better distribution of power and money throughout their countries.
    Germany has a massive issue with wealth distribution. Their East and west is the same as out North and South.

    If you're talking about increasing competitiveness that's fine. But you do realise that in a federal set up london and the SE would instantly be able to cut taxes to the levels that meet their requirements and not the whole Of the UK.


    All of a sudden poorer parts of the UK have to become competitive without being able to meet their own financial needs as they're not receiving a subsidy.

    So basically your grand master plan of improving things for everybody is based on a conservative model of let the markets sort it all out.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    How do you mean white british people? Working class British people?I think the white working class have been screwed over cynically in the name of apparent diversity which is actually just cheap labour and beneficial to big business. But I would never just attribute it all to 'immigration', it's far more wide reaching and complex.
    I detest political correctness and I'd never bring money into the immigration debate because I think this the real issue and not a single politician dares say it. The problem with immigration is how it effects the existing population that goes ignored. Why do White European people not matter? How is it acceptable that White British, White French, White German, White Swedish have to be a minority in their own homeland? Isn't that racist towards White people? but that's it isn't it, racism is something used nearly entirely against White people who resist genocide.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Germany has a massive issue with wealth distribution. Their East and west is the same as out North and South.

    If you're talking about increasing competitiveness that's fine. But you do realise that in a federal set up london and the SE would instantly be able to cut taxes to the levels that meet their requirements and not the whole Of the UK.


    All of a sudden poorer parts of the UK have to become competitive without being able to meet their own financial needs as they're not receiving a subsidy.

    So basically your grand master plan of improving things for everybody is based on a conservative model of let the markets sort it all out.
    No, it's based on a perfectly legitimate system of state and federal taxes.
    Germany was two countries until the eighties, factor that in, and the East was communist and dirt poor, it's come up tons, and look at Berlin.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    No, it's based on a perfectly legitimate system of state and federal taxes.
    Germany was two countries until the eighties, factor that in, and the East was communist and dirt poor, it's come up tons, and look at Berlin.
    Berlin was easy and west. The compliantsadenin the UK now are echoed in Germany. East has developed but care to show ME anywhere in the UK that's poorer now than it was in the 80s.
    Federalism works in different countries for different reasons. The U.S. and germany have a competlly different historical reason for following a federal model. Germany for example didn't exist until the last part of the 19th century. So that's one reason they have a federal model.

    I don't mind different parts of the UK competing against each other. It'll allow us to really get to grips with those in society expecting a free ride
 
 
 
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