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    (Original post by OnlyGot1Offer)
    its actually a passport and yes it does
    Hahaha still paper, you idiot. Can easily be torn up. No it doesn't. You still weren't born here and are still an immigrant, so don't pretend you're better than those you wish to deport.

    No wonder you've "only got 1 offer", with this ridiculous nonsense.
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    (Original post by All_TheCyanide)
    Hahaha still paper, you idiot. Can easily be torn up. No it doesn't. You still weren't born here and are still an immigrant, so don't pretend you're better than those you wish to deport.

    No wonder you've "only got 1 offer", with this ridiculous nonsense.
    lmao using my username to try and insult me

    i think 99% of immigration should be stopped from now onwards. we should only be welcoming americans, australians, canadians and kiwis.

    lets not forget our great britain owns each and every country i just listed. so we're all british by nature
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    There seemed to be an almost panicked response to UKIP emerging imo. Journalists having a field day digging up every piece of dirt they could find on UKIP members, politicians screaming at us from the papers "don't vote for the nasty party!"
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    I agree with a very small percentage of UKIP policies however about 90-95% of their policies are utter right-wing *****. The main reason they shouldn't be in power though is because they want to leave the EU which if you ask any person with an economics degree will tell you is the stupidest thing the country could do. (Even venture capitalists Goldman Sachs think we should stay in the EU and they know a thing or two about economics)
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    (Original post by OnlyGot1Offer)
    lmao using my username to try and insult me

    i think 99% of immigration should be stopped from now onwards. we should only be welcoming americans, australians, canadians and kiwis.

    lets not forget our great britain owns each and every country i just listed. so we're all british by nature
    Just the truth.

    Not your "Great Britian", you're an immigrant, remember? Hypocrite.

    We don't own America, hence Independence Day...
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    (Original post by All_TheCyanide)
    Just the truth.

    Not your "Great Britian", you're an immigrant, remember? Hypocrite.

    We don't own America, hence Independence Day...
    yes we do stop being a self loathing white guilt fluff and grow a set and learn some history. we own america
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    (Original post by All_TheCyanide)
    Hence why I said ETHNIC GROUP. Nowhere in my comment did I say race. Your comment was about him not discriminating based on ethnicity and Romanian is an ethnic group.
    Me saying that he wasn't discriminating against them by their ethnic group doesn't imply that I counted ethnicity as part of the definition. 'Racism' is discriminating against someone according to their race. Polish people discriminated by an English man would not be racist,
    they are of the same race.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Yeah, let's blame all of our problems on everyone else rather than actually facing up to the real causes woo
    So what are the real causes? Are you insinuating your views are superior to other peoples? People on the left, people in the centre and people on the right will all blame different things, usually those that benefit most from the opposite political viewpoint.

    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Yes. The right blame their problems on easy, vulnerable targets whose "crimes" are negligible in the bigger picture. The left blame the problems on the big players who genuinely are the driving causes of the problems. What's worse, a desperate person living in poverty because of mental illness and a lack of an education asking for some slightly fairer benefits, or bankers squandering trillions of pounds worth of money that belongs to the people before dropping the entire globe into a recession, affecting the lives of billions across the world? How exactly is punishing the poor and vulnerable going to change any of that?
    Yes because personal responsibility doesn't exist does it? All those morons purchasing cars on credit, racking up thousands of pounds worth of debt on credit cards for things they cant afford, people taking out loans they knew they could never pay back etc. Of course the banks etc. have to do checks but they simply cannot win. If they stop doing such easily they get criticised and get told they're stifling the economy and people cant start up businesses or get mortgages etc. If they give out a lot they're told they're erratic and need to reign it in. Simply put, it wasn't only bankers that caused the recession - the public are just as much to blame but of course, its always easy to blame the other side, isn't it? This is typical of those that align with parties, they get so caught up in their parties bull**** beliefs that they actually start convincing themselves that the opinions they speak are factual truths.

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    I won't vote for them because their leader has been exposed to privately planning to do deliberate damage to our social healthcare system in direct contravention to the 'promises' in their manifesto.


    Well this just isn't true. In 2012 UKIP debated internally as to whether this would need to happen in the future. He believed that it would need to be debated in the future and that the prospect of an insurance based system, like that in France as opposed to America (cue the shock brigade and their slurs), may be a distinct possibility. UKIP's manifesto is a 2015 release which comes 3 years after that discussion and therefore it is perfectly fine that they've changed their opinion on that if that was the case. However, as it currently stands Farage believes that the debate of possibly privatising the NHS using an insurance based system will have to come back up at some point in the future due to the state of the NHS's finances.

    Now, if you believe that that debate doesn't need to be had in the future or should never be had, that is fine, do not vote UKIP, but don't fabricate nonsense and borderline libel people to try and justify your decisions.

    Mr Farage says at around 48:10 minutes into the hour-long meeting (shown below): “I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare."


    “Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the marketplace of an insurance company, than just us trustingly giving £100billion a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us," he adds.

    I hate the entire system and I want a revolution primarily due to people like yourself childishly bickering and trying to point score as opposed to actually pushing forward with real action that changes lives. Its all a charade done to keep champagne socialist labourites and fat cat tories in power and the only idiots are those that buy into this entire political system.

    Like a bunch of ****ing children in the playground politicians are arguing about stuff then making up and being best friends once someone joins their side. Then you have the moronic fans all going 'OMG IM GONNA VOTE LABOUR, CONS, UKIP, GREEN or whatever' and the best part is these deluded fools actually believe their vote matters.

    I have yet to see any truly revolutionary changes in my lifetime that has vastly improved the lives of those at the bottom and thats because the political class wont change it because they've got it so good. All they need to do is the bare minimum to appease the public and carry on the act. These people are trained manipulators of rhetoric/language so they know fully well how to win the game and the sheepish public lap it up.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    So what are the real causes? Are you insinuating your views are superior to other peoples? People on the left, people in the centre and people on the right will all blame different things, usually those that benefit most from the opposite political viewpoint.

    Yes because personal responsibility doesn't exist does it? All those morons purchasing cars on credit, racking up thousands of pounds worth of debt on credit cards for things they cant afford, people taking out loans they knew they could never pay back etc. Of course the banks etc. have to do checks but they simply cannot win. If they stop doing such easily they get criticised and get told they're stifling the economy and people cant start up businesses or get mortgages etc. If they give out a lot they're told they're erratic and need to reign it in. Simply put, it wasn't only bankers that caused the recession - the public are just as much to blame but of course, its always easy to blame the other side, isn't it? This is typical of those that align with parties, they get so caught up in their parties bull**** beliefs that they actually start convincing themselves that the opinions they speak are factual truths.
    Why are you so intent on hating poor people? It pretty much was just the bankers that caused the recession, I honestly don't see how you can argue the general public had anything to do with it other than being unresponsive bystanders to bankers' crimes. You may well be right that some people are less responsible with their money than they should be... but surely you should target your hate at the people who waste trillions of pounds worth of public money than the people who at worst take a few thousand away? I don't think you really understand how the banking industry works, you seem to have a very idealistic view of the industry which isn't a very accurate reflection of reality.
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    I'd like to see a coalition between UKIP and someone else, maybe the conservative, not too sure, need to rebrush up on all the policies.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    [/I][/I]Well this just isn't true. In 2012 UKIP debated internally as to whether this would need to happen in the future. He believed that it would need to be debated in the future and that the prospect of an insurance based system, like that in France as opposed to America (cue the shock brigade and their slurs), may be a distinct possibility. UKIP's manifesto is a 2015 release which comes 3 years after that discussion and therefore it is perfectly fine that they've changed their opinion on that if that was the case. However, as it currently stands Farage believes that the debate of possibly privatising the NHS using an insurance based system will have to come back up at some point in the future due to the state of the NHS's finances.

    Now, if you believe that that debate doesn't need to be had in the future or should never be had, that is fine, do not vote UKIP, but don't fabricate nonsense and borderline libel people to try and justify your decisions.
    You see, everyone, take heed: Messiah has provided informed, sourced, and reasoned counters to what I was saying. I am willing to acknowledge and respect a well-argued point that is different from my own.

    Well done sir. What you write will give me plenty to think about, and I will reappraise the issue.

    I feel I will still not vote UKIP, however. I am a floating voter, but their attitude to the EU is simply one I do not share. I am not a pro-European, everything-from-Brussels-is-awesome kind of person (I doubt such exists). I see it as a flawed institution, but one which remains a force for good.
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    (Original post by Grantland)
    I'd like to see a coalition between UKIP and someone else, maybe the conservative, not too sure, need to rebrush up on all the policies.
    ukip would never get into coalition with that shiny faced muppet mr slippery
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Why are you so intent on hating poor people?
    Where have I hated on poor people? Spare me again this bull**** rhetoric you continuously spout. I am an ardent left wing democratic-socialist. I am in favour of the poor unlike yourself who votes for Greens, of whom's policies would leave the poor crippled but of course, due to your lack of economic understanding, just like the Green Party, you cant fathom that hard financial truth. Continue, like the other party aligning plebs on here, supporting your enviro-friendly cult and I'll go and actually help people in my spare time as a volunteer all the whilst hoping for a revolution.

    It pretty much was just the bankers that caused the recession, I honestly don't see how you can argue the general public had anything to do with it other than being unresponsive bystanders to bankers' crimes. You may well be right that some people are less responsible with their money than they should be... but surely you should target your hate at the people who waste trillions of pounds worth of public money than the people who at worst take a few thousand away? I don't think you really understand how the banking industry works, you seem to have a very idealistic view of the industry which isn't a very accurate reflection of reality.
    No. It was a combination of the bankers and the public. To suggest it was one or the other solely is ridiculous. The bankers were obviously running riot with what they were doing but to suggest this removes the responsibility or role the general public, on a global scale, played in the lead up to the recession is ridiculous. As I suggested earlier, it was a combination of both. Im not deluded enough to believe blaming the people is blaming the poor and that blaming the bankers is a swipe at the right. Its not. The truth is out there at what caused it and it was a combination of various factors, some of which are outlined above. We live in a culture whereby people refuse to live within their means and often by on credit without a seconds thought about tomorrow. This sort of attitude contributed massively to the crash.
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    (Original post by OnlyGot1Offer)
    what's your problem with people who want britain to be british? if you aren't voting for ukip, you are basically supporting the uk to become an islamic state
    you should get the hell out if you're not voting ukip
    The minor issue here being that Farage has no plans to reduce Islamic immigration.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The minor issue here being that Farage has no plans to reduce Islamic immigration.
    You mean immigration from the Middle East?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The minor issue here being that Farage has no plans to reduce Islamic immigration.
    of course he does. stop immigration from countries that contains lots of muslims. profit
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    (Original post by gladders)
    I feel I will still not vote UKIP, however. I am a floating voter, but their attitude to the EU is simply one I do not share. I am not a pro-European, everything-from-Brussels-is-awesome kind of person (I doubt such exists). I see it as a flawed institution, but one which remains a force for good.
    I think that is fair. If, based on actual policy or views you do not wish to vote UKIP then that is your choice. I choose to not vote for anyone or play a part in the entire system because (1) it won't invoke change and recent history has taught us that and (2) I believe the only way the people will get true representation now is through a revolution.

    Also, I'm not surprised to see a floating voter. All the parties make it up to appease the people as they go along and will happily dismiss their actual values and morals if it means getting to sit in the Parliamentary high chair.
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    But why them specifically? (Countries with "lots of muslims")
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    Me saying that he wasn't discriminating against them by their ethnic group doesn't imply that I counted ethnicity as part of the definition. 'Racism' is discriminating against someone according to their race. Polish people discriminated by an English man would not be racist,
    they are of the same race.
    You still said that he didn't discriminate against different ethnicities, which he did.
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    (Original post by OnlyGot1Offer)
    yes we do stop being a self loathing white guilt fluff and grow a set and learn some history. we own america
    We don't own America. The Native Americans do, hence the name. And we lost the war of independence, so we definitely don't own it. The yanks kicked our asses. And the yanks don't even really own it anyway, the natives do.
 
 
 
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