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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Why the **** would any person in the UK want their country made poorer to make Eastern Europe wealthier?
    name one other reason other than the fact immigrants can come here and legitimately get housing, you feel the EU doesn't benefit us. I bet you wouldn't be so upset if it was someone from German, Netherlands or Sweden?
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    (Original post by billydisco)


    Isn't it a bit silly to admit immigrants who can't even afford their own accommodation?
    Well yes, we shouldn't really give them out to foreigners, but you have to realise 99% of folks sleeping rough are heavy drug users and are not fit for council housing/have been kicked out of their council housing.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Why the **** would any person in the UK want their country made poorer to make Eastern Europe wealthier?
    Eastern European Ex-soldiers who fought for Britain during world war II, for example.

    Think about it this way. Eastern Europe gets richer --> more people come back to their home countries --> less immigrants in UK --> isn't that what you want?

    Also, UK is so rich, it can't be "made poorer" just like that. That's not how the economy works mate. Also, Eastern Europe isn't as poor as you think and doesn't take as much money as you might imagine, else Britain would be out of EU ages ago.
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    (Original post by mark36)
    Eastern European Ex-soldiers who fought for Britain during world war II, for example.

    Think about it this way. Eastern Europe gets richer --> more people come back to their home countries --> less immigrants in UK --> isn't that what you want?
    I only want less low-skilled immigrants and there's a much easier solution- leave the EU and stop admitting low-skilled immigrants! It doesn't require us giving money away!

    (Original post by mark36)
    Also, UK is so rich, it can't be "made poorer" just like that. That's not how the economy works mate. Also, Eastern Europe isn't as poor as you think and doesn't take as much money as you might imagine, else Britain would be out of EU ages ago.
    I know how economies work..... I studied economics! The EU has nothing to do with economics and has everything to do with socialist liberals "punishing" the UK, forcing them to redistribute wealth and increase "diversity".
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    name one other reason other than the fact immigrants can come here and legitimately get housing, you feel the EU doesn't benefit us.
    The EU has passed ~55 laws which the UK voted against. If we voted against them and still ended up with them, that doesnt benefit us!

    (Original post by chantalc)
    I bet you wouldn't be so upset if it was someone from German, Netherlands or Sweden?
    If they were low-skilled I would be just as "upset".
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    (Original post by billydisco;Thats)
    The EU has passed ~55 laws which the UK voted against. If we voted against them and still ended up with them, that doesnt benefit us!


    If they were low-skilled I would be just as "upset".
    that's how democracy works
    not all eastern Europeans are Low-skilled '
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    The EU has passed ~55 laws which the UK voted against. If we voted against them and still ended up with them, that doesnt benefit us!


    If they were low-skilled I would be just as "upset".
    You're not doing a very good job of saying why the EU is bad
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    I only want less low-skilled immigrants and there's a much easier solution- leave the EU and stop admitting low-skilled immigrants! It doesn't require us giving money away!


    I know how economies work..... I studied economics! The EU has nothing to do with economics and has everything to do with socialist liberals "punishing" the UK, forcing them to redistribute wealth and increase "diversity".
    If the EU is all about socialist liberals how come it is mostly backed by the Centre-Right parties?

    Also I'm curious what economic theory do you agree with most?
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    that's how democracy works
    not all eastern Europeans are Low-skilled '
    However the EU is far from democratic.
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    There's a lot of anti-EU going on here and I am not surprised. I just find the generalisations sometimes incredibly ignorant and misplaced.

    I'm from the Netherlands and I have been in the UK since 2004. I'm a taxpayer. My family also owns a recruitment agency and we employ about 70 people. We are not on any benefits whatsoever. We created a service used by hundreds of people and gave employment to many people.
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    (Original post by deathbeforeimmortality)
    There's a lot of anti-EU going on here and I am not surprised. I just find the generalisations sometimes incredibly ignorant and misplaced.

    I'm from the Netherlands and I have been in the UK since 2004. I'm a taxpayer. My family also owns a recruitment agency and we employ about 70 people. We are not on any benefits whatsoever. We created a service used by hundreds of people and gave employment to many people.
    billydisco but they're bad for the economy!
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    I only want less low-skilled immigrants and there's a much easier solution- leave the EU and stop admitting low-skilled immigrants! It doesn't require us giving money away!


    I know how economies work..... I studied economics! The EU has nothing to do with economics and has everything to do with socialist liberals "punishing" the UK, forcing them to redistribute wealth and increase "diversity".
    Fair enough if you want more controlled immigration. This is somewhat understandable...However leaving the EU will be far more costly than it seems at a glance - suddenly, Britain will have to re-establish all trading links on its own. It'll become a very isolated place again - at least in terms of international trade and politics. This has its own benefits and drawbacks, but no doubt will be very costly money-wise, and effort-wise, for some amount of time. Also, those 1.3 million British immigrants or so who live in the EU will have to return at some point. This will obviously amount to something...

    Also, as chantalc had rightly said, not all Eastern Europeans are low-skilled strawberry pickers or cleaners; many I know are doctors, work in healthcare industry or are important managers/bosses at companies, offices, factories etc. They're people just like everyone else. Would you say that all Asians/Indians/Africans etc. are all low skilled? Exactly.

    Moreover, just because Britain might leave EU doesn't mean that all imaginary problems to do with immigration hyped up by DailyMail and UKIP will be automatically solved...Leaving the EU isn't exactly like waving a magical wand to get rid of everyone's problems...
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    (Original post by United1892)
    billydisco but they're bad for the economy!
    How is a Dutch entrepreneur related to giving social housing to low-skilled immigrants?
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    that's how democracy works
    You just asked what other EU things have screwed over the UK, I tell you and you reply back with "thats how democracy works".......... I appreciate you're 16, so congrats, but your argument is just so inconsistent.

    (Original post by chantalc)
    not all eastern Europeans are Low-skilled '
    Enforce the non-EU immigration policy. I care not about nationality, but level of skill, sustainability and culture.
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    (Original post by mark36)
    Fair enough if you want more controlled immigration. This is somewhat understandable...However leaving the EU will be far more costly than it seems at a glance - suddenly, Britain will have to re-establish all trading links on its own. It'll become a very isolated place again - at least in terms of international trade and politics. This has its own benefits and drawbacks, but no doubt will be very costly money-wise, and effort-wise, for some amount of time. Also, those 1.3 million British immigrants or so who live in the EU will have to return at some point. This will obviously amount to something...

    Also, as chantalc had rightly said, not all Eastern Europeans are low-skilled strawberry pickers or cleaners; many I know are doctors, work in healthcare industry or are important managers/bosses at companies, offices, factories etc. They're people just like everyone else. Would you say that all Asians/Indians/Africans etc. are all low skilled? Exactly.

    Moreover, just because Britain might leave EU doesn't mean that all imaginary problems to do with immigration hyped up by DailyMail and UKIP will be automatically solved...Leaving the EU isn't exactly like waving a magical wand to get rid of everyone's problems...
    You're first paragraph relies on the asumption that our trade with europe would be badly damaged, this is unlikely.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    You just asked what other EU things have screwed over the UK, I tell you and you reply back with "thats how democracy works".......... I appreciate you're 16, so congrats, but your argument is just so inconsistent.


    Enforce the non-EU immigration policy. I care not about nationality, but level of skill, sustainability and culture.
    She may be 16 but her arguments are more coherent and sensible than all the ones I've seen off you.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    The EU has passed ~55 laws which the UK voted against. If we voted against them and still ended up with them, that doesnt benefit us!


    If they were low-skilled I would be just as "upset".
    But have you seen what a lot of those laws are? I sigh with relief every time the EU intervenes.

    Two for example were fishing quota and the neonics moratorium. Thank the lord for the EU.
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    It's a bit disturbing that posters here actually have an issue with the immigrants rather than the policies. My point being, if you don't like it, change the policy but there is no need to be hostile towards the immigrant. Demand and supply, kids.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Well yes, we shouldn't really give them out to foreigners, but you have to realise 99% of folks sleeping rough are heavy drug users and are not fit for council housing/have been kicked out of their council housing.
    I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, and I certainly wouldn't have put it that way, but yes, many homeless people have had a chance at council housing and rejected it or suffered from drug/alcohol problems which prevents them being housed in council housing. On top of that most homeless people are single men,, nearly all people given council homes are families or vulnerable women these days due to the severe shortage.
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    (Original post by billydisco)


    Isn't it a bit silly to admit immigrants who can't even afford their own accommodation?
    Well durr.

    Even if none of them were here we still wouldn't have enough social housing though.

    They just make the problem much worse.


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