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    I am going to wear one because I believe soldiers, all soldiers, deserve respect. I just hate it when people (typically old people) scorn others for not wearing one. It's about donating not putting others down

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    (Original post by Drewski)
    But again, when you say that bit in bold it does make it sound like you believe the red poppy isn't against killing, which simply isn't the case.

    And also, let's not pretend that the pacifist movement that began the white poppy - within what is now The co-operative group - isn't political, because it is.

    I'd also argue that the white poppy doesn't commemorate them equally as the funds raised from it don't generally go to support those affected by conflict.
    Okay. I didn't mean to cause offence. Many people wear the White Poppy alongside the Red Poppy just to reinforce the idea of pacifism and conscientious objection.
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    Defiantly. To show respect.
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    I will not be wearing one.

    I don't really think it makes much sense to ask why a person doesnt wear a poppy, because you're sort of presupposing that unless there are some exceptional mitigating circumstances, they should be wearing one. It's a bit like going up to someone randomly and asking "Why aren't you wearing a yellow hoodie today?"

    I don't wear one because I have yet to see any reason why I should.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    I am against the nazis fool. Socialism and Marxism is closest to Hitler's policies, state control of everything was one thing he imposed, hardly what I believe. You lefties are desperate
    It's funny, you think state control is the defining characteristic of Marxism and therefore the left wing as a whole.
    This is completely incorrect and the left wing aren't all Marxists.
    I refer you to this quote and my signature quote below:

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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    It's funny, you think state control is the defining characteristic of Marxism and therefore the left wing as a whole.
    This is completely incorrect and the left wing aren't all Marxists.
    I refer you to this quote and my signature quote below:

    What's your point? What we gather from that is socialism and Marxism oppose the free market of capital, business ect. and are for control of everything in the market. Marxism does not want a system of buying and selling shares to freely process.

    You can not seriously expect defence and justice services to solely run in the market. That is not a matter of left wing, right wing, socialism, capitalism or any thing political but common sense. It is a trait adopted regardless of political wings. It is based on common sense because private military contractors running around without at least a base military keeping them in check is chaos.

    The point is you can not detract from the point Soviet nations had no free market or little as did Nazi Germany, hence their policies were very similar.
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    No, why would I have any respect for soldiers who murder people. They have done nothing for me, why would I particularly care about them?
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    What's your point? What we gather from that is socialism and Marxism oppose the free market of capital, business ect. and are for control of everything in the market. Marxism does not want a system of buying and selling shares to freely process.

    You can not seriously expect defence and justice services to solely run in the market. That is not a matter of left wing, right wing, socialism, capitalism or any thing political but common sense. It is a trait adopted regardless of political wings. It is based on common sense because private military contractors running around without at least a base military keeping them in check is chaos.

    The point is you can not detract from the point Soviet nations had no free market or little as did Nazi Germany, hence their policies were very similar.
    Untrue.
    After Stalin took power the Soviet Union became a degenerated workers state, a grotesque caricature of a truly socialist state, doomed to fail unless the workers seized democratic power again or became capitalist.
    A planned economy is the single thing that compares with fascism, yet both were undemocratically planned under a bureaucratic system.

    Aaaaand what? What's your point? I was simply dispelling the myth that socialism and fascism are the same because they employ state control. Yet state control is not a bad thing at all - the UK benefits from free healthcare and education, yet nobody wants rid of it because it is such a good thing.

    Both were totalitarian undemocratic regimes, one fascist, the other state capitalist, yet both in different ways claimed to be 'socialist'.
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    Always wear a poppy to remember the incomprehensibly brave men and of ww1 and ww2
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    (Original post by Treeroy)
    No, why would I have any respect for soldiers who murder people. They have done nothing for me, why would I particularly care about them?
    Interesting.
    Not to challenge you or anything which murders would you be thinking of?
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Interesting.
    Not to challenge you or anything which murders would you be thinking of?
    War is about killing other human beings. All soldiers on all sides of war are murderers. I do have some sympathy for those who were conscripted and had no choice, but still you could (albeit shamefully) refuse to serve I think.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    Why are/aren't you wearing a poppy for remembrance day?
    Not yet but not through choice. I don't know how but I haven't actually seen them on sale anywhere! Normally there are people selling them all over the place. Will keep my eye open.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    The chances of these lefty traitors wearing a poppy is the same as aliens arriving on earth today.

    Never hope that a left winger would do anything to remember those who fought against fascism

    I support always wearing a poppy and donating to the appeal
    I am as far left as you can get on the PC scale and I am proudly wearing a poppy right now to remember those who died for my freedom to express my political views without risk of being sent to a concentration camp, so that's that theory busted, mate.
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    Yeah, I'm wearing a poppy. Lost my first one, so got another. Will wear until after 11th November. It is vital to remember the sacrifice paid by so many to this country, and to ensure that such industrial slaughter of human lives does not happen again.
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    (Original post by Treeroy)
    War is about killing other human beings. All soldiers on all sides of war are murderers. I do have some sympathy for those who were conscripted and had no choice, but still you could (albeit shamefully) refuse to serve I think.
    Ahh right. I was thinking Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy Massacre etc and the recent Afghanistan war.

    Interesting view though.
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    (Original post by Treeroy)
    War is about killing other human beings. All soldiers on all sides of war are murderers. I do have some sympathy for those who were conscripted and had no choice, but still you could (albeit shamefully) refuse to serve I think.
    Even soldiers who are defending their home from invasion? Or helping to defend someone else's home from invasion?
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    I didnt even know what a poppy was until like a few months ago.
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    I always wear one. It doesn't serve to show everybody I'm remembering, I know I am so I don't need that, but I think around this time it is a fitting sign of respect for those that laid down their lives (and those that fought and didn't die) for us.
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    i read something really cute today, aparently:
    the RED is for the soldiers' blood on the field
    the BLACK is for those mourning at home
    and
    the GREEN represents green fields, the future and hope

    :cry2::sad::rip::redrose:
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    i read something really cute today, aparently:
    theRED is for the soldiers' blood on the field
    the BLACK is for those mourning at home
    and
    the GREEN represents green fields, the future and hope

    :cry2::sad::rip::redrose:
    Except it isn't: http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/reme...-of-the-poppy/

    "The poppy is NOT:
    "A symbol of death or a sign of support for war
    "A reflection of politics or religion
    "Red to reflect the colour of blood"
 
 
 
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