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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Are you actually comparing the threat against the Jews in Europe (ie extermination in the Holocaust) to that of these migrants (vast majority blokes leaving their wives and children behind) who are already mostly out of Syria and living in Turkey/Lebanon etc? That's the Syrians.........half of these guys aren't even Syrian!

    What's wrong with you? You're trivialising the Holocaust by comparing this situation of people already out of the danger in Syria to the horrors faced by millions of Jews, Gypsies, disabled etc who were getting exterminated. You shouldn't try to use actual genocides to manipulate people like that to further your social justice warrior agenda like that. It's vile.
    I saw a guy on TV the other day (in Sweden) complaining that he might not get to see his kid for a couple of years. I mean, why would leave his wife and four year old son behind? the truth is this guy is no more a refugee fleeing war or persecution than I am. He's trying to find a foothold in a cushy country.
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    Thank you for your kind words. I don't think it's a case of throwing money at turkey senselessly. It's a case of working out a plan across Europe to get a handle on this and that will require a lot of money. Why are you (presumably) so happy to spend 'taxpayers' money on bombing Syria and Iraq but not happy to spend it on sorting out any of the other aspects of the effort needed to really control this situation ? You are naive for thinking military action alone is sufficient.
    You presume too much.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    It's true. People like her are the reason groups like Britain First exist.
    That's so deluded and unfounded. People like you are the reason it exists. If there were no people that thought like britain first then there would be no Britain first.

    If you're saying that people like me are the people that have let the migrants in and this has caused Britain first to come about as a result then you are of the same mentality of Britain first. Which is where my point about being similar to extemists comes in.

    And thanks for not bothering to reply to my response as that tells me everything
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    (Original post by Howard)
    You presume too much.
    Well what do you think about military action in its current format? Tell me.

    Did you even read my post that I linked ? Do you not have anything to say in response. I presumed correctly in this respect.
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    Well what do you think about military action in its current format? Tell me.

    Did you even read my post that I linked ? Do you not have anything to say in response. I presumed correctly in this respect.
    No I didn't read it. I have no opinion one way or another on the current military action.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    No I didn't read it. I have no opinion one way or another on the current military action.
    We are having a debate and you can't even be bothered to read my opinion which explains everything I've said so you can stop throwing ignorant retorts back at me?
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    We are having a debate and you can't even be bothered to read my opinion which explains everything I've said so you can stop throwing ignorant retorts back at me?
    Your opinion doesn't interest me.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Your opinion doesn't interest me.
    Thought as much. Standard.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I don't think BaconandSauce is ignorant of these things any more than I imagine you are a font of knowledge yourself. BnS just doesn't give a F about their history or geo-politics. And neither do I. Not my problem.
    Of course he does, otherwise he wouldn't have gone around saying ridiculous things and linking Wikipedia pages to justify his points.

    The fact that someone called him out on his ignorance on the subject at hand, to which he replied with: "Let's build a wall" demonstrates naive thinking and a total disregard for intellectual honesty.

    I didn't say that we had experienced a million fold increase in raping and killing but as far as I am concerned one woman going about her daily business and being being raped at the hands of one of these people is one too many. Simple as that.
    And what about those who are being raped by one of "our" people? When do we start tackling that instead of only expressing concerns for such heinous crimes when they are committed by a foreigner?

    The amount of sexual assaults that were reported on NYE, was roughly around the same figure for reported rapes in the Dorset region (for the last reported year), a region that has around 98% white population and where rape report claims have astronomically increased year on year..

    I'm not saying that we should only focus on crimes perpetrated by one group of people, as you are doing, but I'm highlighting the fact that your concern is factually non-existent when it comes to tackling the same heinous crimes, committed by those of a different ethnicity. You spend a disproportionate amount of time, as indeed the media does in their coverage, on crimes that occur everywhere regardless of colour or creed.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Actually EU member states (including us) have given Turkey huge amounts of money to help Turkey keep the refugees.

    I also wonder why you feel Germany's and Sweden's current situations are something to aspire to. If anything we should look at them and do the exact opposite.

    Your final sentence is sanctimonious drivel I'm afraid. Why are you pretending it's RAF strikes against ISIS that people are fleeing when it's actually Assad and Russian bombing along with ISIS/Jihadi groups? What's your game? Why are you so keen to point all blame and vitriol towards strikes against ISIS (which have had hardly any civilian casualties if any at all due to the precision weaponry the RAF use) instead of the indiscriminate mass bombing against innocent people conducted by Assad and Russia? It looks like you have a pretty wacked out agenda here.
    There Is no agenda. I never said it was the cause. But finally someone agrees it's Assad and Russia. Thank you for that at least. But what I am saying so that you understand it clearly.

    We are bombing parts of a country to get rid of the threat that Isis poses to our national security.
    We are spending money on that process.
    If we really want to stop Isis growing then we have to not play into their world view that it's Muslims vs us.
    If we don't spend money to try and rehome the innocent Muslims it furthers their (isis) cause as there will be more disenfranchised Muslims with no option other than Assad or Isis and the latter is arguably the lesser of two evils in terms of total death toll.
    So we basically turn the Middle East into a bunch of extremists with an extreme hatred of the xenophobic and right wing attitude of the west.
    So the problem of Isis grows and continues to grow, whether we are bombing raqqa or not.

    I am basically saying if we spend money on one thing to stop this situation then we can't be selective as a single faceted strategy will not work. That's why I'm advocating for a proper strategy and most importantly that we don't just use this as fodder for right wing nationalism and xenophobia in Europe because then we will be f***ed.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Why should my country. and my children's country be changed forever just so you can feel better about yourself?

    Jog on.
    None of this makes me feel good.

    It is not your country nor is it your children's country. Get over yourself.
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    George Soros bet against our currency, I'd happily turn him over to the Russians to do whatever they like with him. Scumbag
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    I hope they do it will destroy any chance they have of going the Eu if the sheep called the British public vote to stay in the eu


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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    The only reason people see the immigration of refugees as a threat is because Europe have thus far handled it badly and left it to Germany and Sweden.
    how about greece / italy?
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    how about greece / italy?
    Yeah they've left it to those guys as the pressure point countries who deal with the influx. Completely agree that more support should be provided to them to handle it. But Sweden and Germany are the countries taking the refugees on after they've travelled through other European countries.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    And what about those who are being raped by one of "our" people? When do we start tackling that instead of only expressing concerns for such heinous crimes when they are committed by a foreigner?

    The amount of sexual assaults that were reported on NYE, was roughly around the same figure for reported rapes in the Dorset region (for the last reported year), a region that has around 98% white population and where rape report claims have astronomically increased year on year..

    I'm not saying that we should only focus on crimes perpetrated by one group of people, as you are doing, but I'm highlighting the fact that your concern is factually non-existent when it comes to tackling the same heinous crimes, committed by those of a different ethnicity. You spend a disproportionate amount of time, as indeed the media does in their coverage, on crimes that occur everywhere regardless of colour or creed.
    I'm talking about a problem that specifically flows from an influx of refugees. Nothing you say about existing crime statistics amongst the "native" population is relevant to this topic.

    However, if you must throw irrelevant statistics around with gay abandon then you should know there were 978 reported incidents of sexual offences in Dorset for 2014/2015. (Let's clarify - that's "sexual offences", not "rape" as you said above) Dorset has a population of 744,041 (2011 census) so there are 0.0013 reported sexual assaults per capita per year. That's 2.67 reported sexual assaults a day. How is this "roughly around the same figure" as 1000 reported sexual assaults in a single night in one city; Cologne?

    Do your research before you challenge me.
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    Yeah they've left it to those guys as the pressure point countries who deal with the influx. Completely agree that more support should be provided to them to handle it. But Sweden and Germany are the countries taking the refugees on after they've travelled through other European countries.
    Sweden are kicking half the recent cohort out because they are not bona-fide refugees.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I'm talking about a problem that specifically flows from an influx of refugees. Nothing you say about existing crime statistics amongst the "native" population is relevant to this topic.

    However, if you must throw irrelevant statistics around with gay abandon then you should know there were 978 reported incidents of sexual offences in Dorset for 2014/2015. (Let's clarify - that's "sexual offences", not "rape" as you said above) Dorset has a population of 744,041 (2011 census) so there are 0.0013 reported sexual assaults per capita per year. That's 2.67 reported sexual assaults a day. How is this "roughly around the same figure" as 1000 reported sexual assaults in a single night in one city; Cologne?

    Do your research before you challenge me.
    Bit rich. :rofl:
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Sweden are kicking half the recent cohort out because they are not bona-fide refugees.
    Please read the link which is to my post on TSR (it's not a random wiki page or newspaper article like what most people do). It is my opinion on how to handle this situation effectively for our sake.

    I'm not disputing that the people coming in are all bona-fide refugees. I know many of them aren't but that's through lack of strategy and control on our part. It's not the fault of the genuine refugees who still need support.

    My suggestion is that if we handle it better and provide more support we can minimise as far as is reasonably possible the wrong people entering and allow the right people in. It is possible. It just doesn't seem it to people like you.

    If you're not willing to read it and you don't care what I think then don't bother replying to my quotes anymore.
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    So what? Refugees are not causing any problems.
    Did you not hear about Cologne's 1000-strong gang rape on New Year's?
 
 
 
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