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Motion of No Confidence in HM Government watch

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    (Original post by Aph)
    But the effect of the mass pm is telling everyone that there is an election. Without it it would be like telling only MP's that there is an election and telling them not to tell anyone.
    Not so, some by-elections have delivered turnouts above 100. We'd be letting the people that actually care what happens here decide the fate of the Mhoc.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I feel the PM helps realism - almost nobody in the real world was unaware there was an election going on - and I think realism is very important to this game.
    I don't feel that realism is massively important. But I do think that if we didn't have the pm we should be able to canvass for votes.
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Tis an exciting moment! Chance for the first right wing government on here for a few years, providing any negotiations are successful.

    However I do not think the motion will pass, which isn't too bad with an election coming up. I'm sure we can sit this parliament out and have a right-wing landslide.
    the government would still be smaller than the labour and liberal parties together, and that is before considering the greens and sociologists who would be more inclined naturally, I feel, to labour and the more centre/centre left liberal policies than to the conservatives and ukip, and that could result in a majority of the conkip government policy being defeated
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Not so, some by-elections have delivered turnouts above 100. We'd be letting the people that actually care what happens here decide the fate of the Mhoc.
    But the thing is that the mass pm brings people into the house and some even run for election.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    the government would still be smaller than the labour and liberal parties together, and that is before considering the greens and sociologists who would be more inclined naturally, I feel, to labour and the more centre/centre left liberal policies than to the conservatives and ukip, and that could result in a majority of the conkip government policy being defeated
    Don't associate me with pseudoscientists please.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    the government would still be smaller than the labour and liberal parties together, and that is before considering the greens and sociologists who would be more inclined naturally, I feel, to labour and the more centre/centre left liberal policies than to the conservatives and ukip, and that could result in a majority of the conkip government policy being defeated
    I'm not denying that...

    What you said is fairly obvious :-)
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    the government would still be smaller than the labour and liberal parties together, and that is before considering the greens and sociologists who would be more inclined naturally, I feel, to labour and the more centre/centre left liberal policies than to the conservatives and ukip, and that could result in a majority of the conkip government policy being defeated
    Sociologists?
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    the government would still be smaller than the labour and liberal parties together, and that is before considering the greens and sociologists who would be more inclined naturally, I feel, to labour and the more centre/centre left liberal policies than to the conservatives and ukip, and that could result in a majority of the conkip government policy being defeated
    But you also have the liberals frees up to actually start voting as they believe again, or is the purge finished and that's an irrelevance now?

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Don't associate me with pseudoscientists please.
    sorry, it was autocorrect

    (Original post by jamestg)
    I'm not denying that...

    What you said is fairly obvious :-)
    It is worth noting regardless

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    Sociologists?
    autocorrect...
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I don't feel that realism is massively important. But I do think that if we didn't have the pm we should be able to canvass for votes.
    Most people do anyway.

    (Original post by Aph)
    But the thing is that the mass pm brings people into the house and some even run for election.
    True, there's a cost.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But you also have the liberals frees up to actually start voting as they believe again, or is the purge finished and that's an irrelevance now?

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    They vote how they want currently, a couple more might vote no instead of abstain but that is the only change I would foresee happening
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Most people do anyway.



    True, there's a cost.
    Canvassing is against the GD. Although I'm not sure how one would stop it...

    Everything has a cost.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but a right-wing Government is not guaranteed should this motion pass. Could there not be a LabourLiberalGreen or LabourLiberalSocialist?

    Just to be clear, I haven't really thought about what we'd do if this passes too much, and the Greens and certainly the Socialists are economically too far to the left and would have to compromise alot, but the Right - especially UKIP - shouldn't just assume they're guaranteed Government if this motion passes (not that I think LP would betray UKIP for us Liberals if we wanted LP too).
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    They vote how they want currently, a couple more might vote no instead of abstain but that is the only change I would foresee happening
    As long as what they want is the way they are "convinced" to

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As long as what they want is the way they are "convinced" to

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    Can you not just admit you have an agenda here, and are going to push that agenda regardless of the truth, the liberals don't allow whipping, and labour never forced them to vote a certain way, it was asked that all government mps would consider abstaining if they didn't want to vote for a government policy, or against a policy the government opposed, that was the only thing asked of any liberal mp.

    If Petros had ever whipped the liberals he would no longer be leader, that is the truth of the matter.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I believe Life_peer should consider replacing Rakas with immediate effect, a Conservative accepting errors is bad enough but accepting no correction, nor rebuttal to those errors is worse.
    If we lose by a single vote, there will be consequences, otherwise I don't think it's worth the fight (plus the vote is anonymous even to the CT so the votes can't be changed). Unfortunately, Rakas has chosen to be sanctimonious and set his quality standards incredibly low (at least according to my own opinion, because it's admittedly quite subjective); the most I can say is that I'm disappointed but I must admit I could have done more to prevent this. Any kind of retribution against him would only damage the party and like I said, this isn't worth it. I've already contacted him and we'll deal with this within the privacy of our forum.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    If we lose by a single vote, there will be consequences, otherwise I don't think it's worth the fight (plus the vote is anonymous even to the CT so the votes can't be changed). Unfortunately, Rakas has chosen to be sanctimonious and set his quality standards incredibly low (at least according to my own opinion, because it's admittedly quite subjective); the most I can say is that I'm disappointed but I must admit I could have done more to prevent this. Any kind of retribution against him would only damage the party and like I said, this isn't worth it. I've already contacted him and we'll deal with this within the privacy of our forum.
    Inside the Tory sub right now
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Inside the Tory sub right now
    Not at all, I'm not even mad at him, just a bit disappointed like I said. Actually, I must say I commend his audacity to stand up for what he thinks is right unlike those governmental voting machine.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Can you not just admit you have an agenda here, and are going to push that agenda regardless of the truth, the liberals don't allow whipping, and labour never forced them to vote a certain way, it was asked that all government mps would consider abstaining if they didn't want to vote for a government policy, or against a policy the government opposed, that was the only thing asked of any liberal mp.

    If Petros had ever whipped the liberals he would no longer be leader, that is the truth of the matter.
    As was said at the time, they were "convinced" to coincidentally have half a dozen effectively simultaneous vote changes with apparently nobody knowing what actually convinced them all simultaneously

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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Not at all, I'm not even mad at him, just a bit disappointed like I said. Actually, I must say I commend his audacity to stand up for what he thinks is right unlike those governmental voting machine.
    Well at least half of the governmental voting machine doesn't exist, as being Chair of the Labour Party, I am responsible for enforcing the whip, and, being a libertarian, whipping is against my ideology so I don't do it
 
 
 
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