Primary school teacher fired after twerking video goes viral

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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    That's the late 21st century twist... once upon a time a teacher could have let his or her hair down for 10 minutes on holiday in the expectation that they weren't going to be videoed on a smartphone and that in any case there wasn't any way to distribute the videos widely.

    I don't think it's particularly important to know whether or not a teacher twerks when they're on their holidays. I suspect for example that the UK tabloids would have been on thin ice trying to think up a robust public interest for publishing a similar story, but the tech has taken it out of control. Most people I suspect have done things they wouldn't want their boss to know about - I reckon it's still early days for the career blighting power of phone cams and social media.
    Imagine all the stories that will emerge in 20 years time regarding the politicians of tomorrow online
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Imagine all the stories that will emerge in 20 years time regarding the politicians of tomorrow online
    As few as emerge today.

    Tell me anything specific the Buller got up to in the 1980s when Boris and Cameron were members?

    Tell me any specific high jinx of Islington Labour club in the 1970s?


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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    As few as emerge today.

    Tell me anything specific the Buller got up to in the 1980s when Boris and Cameron were members?

    Tell me any specific high jinx of Islington Labour club in the 1970s?


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    I was referring to tomorrow's politicians use of the internet
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Imagine all the stories that will emerge in 20 years time regarding the politicians of tomorrow online
    Everyone spent the last 20+ years worried that CCTV cameras were going to invade our privacy and ruin our lives and most of that footage is never even watched once because we can't afford to pay people to look at it. Now wherever you are you can be videoed by someone with a phone even where you least expect it, have it transmitted around the world and indexed so that anyone can easily look it up... and nobody has any control over it.

    You can have your career severely crapped on by someone who didn't even mean you any harm and just thought they were uploading a funny video of a random woman in a daft twerking contest.

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    you'd expect oxbridge PPE types to be getting pretty paranoid about people with phones, I'd have thought the greater danger was not being able to get a starter job in the political pipeline after graduating... by the time you're an MP it seems you're able to laugh off a lot of your earlier misdeeds.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    by the time you're an MP it seems you're able to laugh off a lot of your earlier misdeeds.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    I was referring to tomorrow's politicians use of the internet
    There is this idea that nothing on the internet is ever forgotten but that isn't true. GCHQ might be able to find this stuff but ordinary people can't. A simple test. Think of an English provincial town and do a Google search for its Millennium night celebrations. I suspect you will no more on the Internet for this than for Mafeking Night or VE Day.

    People and organisations don't leave stuff on the Internet forever.


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    Did she put it on a social network? Yes? Serves her right

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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    People and organisations don't leave stuff on the Internet forever.
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    Nope :nope:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities#Closure
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    There is this idea that nothing on the internet is ever forgotten but that isn't true. GCHQ might be able to find this stuff but ordinary people can't. A simple test. Think of an English provincial town and do a Google search for its Millennium night celebrations. I suspect you will no more on the Internet for this than for Mafeking Night or VE Day.

    People and organisations don't leave stuff on the Internet forever.


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    the Wayback machine is archiving more frequenty than ever, though there is a sort of www event horizon I wouldn't count on it always being there. I'd expect you'll find it easier to look up this twerker's story in 16 years time.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    There is this idea that nothing on the internet is ever forgotten but that isn't true. GCHQ might be able to find this stuff but ordinary people can't. A simple test. Think of an English provincial town and do a Google search for its Millennium night celebrations. I suspect you will no more on the Internet for this than for Mafeking Night or VE Day.

    People and organisations don't leave stuff on the Internet forever.


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    Euan Blair's tweets won't be

    Cameron's youngest's filthy video won't be

    I think you massively underestimate the sticking power of the internet and you don't have to be GCHQ to find a great deal. It is no surprise that in 2000 when it was still in its infancy, cameraphones were too and most social media did not exist that not much can be found about what happened in Truro's millennium celebrations, but it is not 2000 anymore and investigative journalists who have been listening to our phone calls for years are not ordinary people.

    It's not even possible to delete your TSR account. Many posts cannot be deleted because the threads they are in are locked. Those that can are immortalised on other web pages and on TSR itself in quotes and images and recordings go with them and can be downloaded.
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    Do you know why lots of people so depressed these days ? So many answers to the question.

    One of the answers is...they can't have time to be themselves!

    This woman is a good example. She is a teacher in elementary school. That's her career of course. But that means she must be the teacher all the time? She can't be a daughter? She can't be a sister? She can't be a friend? She can't be a wife? She can't be just a woman? Or she can't be herself?

    She's supposed to wear just that mask...acting like a teacher until the curtains down?

    I hope she will find the better stage ...the better theater. I prefer to watch her acting like a human ( not a puppet).

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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I don’t agree in this day and age with any professional affiliation dictating what you do in your private life. But if they want teachers to act with professional decorum they need to pay them a professional salary.
    How is a larger salary an incentive to behave well? If someone is daft then their salary won't change that. Just because someone is paid more doesn't mean they'll behave better outside of work and not everyone low paid behaves like an oik.

    Also "professional salary" - what is that? The "professions" vary in salary (e.g. doctors/solicitors/nurses). Teachers get the same starting salary as nurses and allied health professionals.

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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    She is not hired exclusively for her ability to teach

    She is also hired as a rolemodel. Stripping half naked and performing a semi pornographic dance which is then beamed around the world is not the sort of behaviour impressionable children should be tolerated to witness in their teachers any more than their parents

    This sort of incident will also affect the learning of her pupils
    Ah, "think of the children". Of course that was going to come up.

    If children are accessing that sort of stuff on youtube then maybe the parents should take a look at their internet restrictions. And maybe if this hadn't become a big news story because of her being fired they'd be even less likely to see it.

    Teachers should be able to have a life of their own separate from school, and they shouldn't be punished for having fun because of a complaint from a prudish parent who hasn't got with the times and who fails to realise that teachers are real people with lives.

    What she did does not affect her ability to teach in any way, and nor will it affect the learning of her pupils in any meaningful way. I would be absolutely fine having someone like that teaching my kids as long as they were good at the job and weren't involved in anything that is genuinely concerning.
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    Ah, "think of the children". Of course that was going to come up.

    If children are accessing that sort of stuff on youtube then maybe the parents should take a look at their internet restrictions. And maybe if this hadn't become a big news story because of her being fired they'd be even less likely to see it.

    Teachers should be able to have a life of their own separate from school, and they shouldn't be punished for having fun because of a complaint from a prudish parent who hasn't got with the times and who fails to realise that teachers are real people with lives.

    What she did does not affect her ability to teach in any way, and nor will it affect the learning of her pupils in any meaningful way. I would be absolutely fine having someone like that teaching my kids as long as they were good at the job and weren't involved in anything that is genuinely concerning.
    I have responded to these points before
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    (Original post by KatieBlogger)
    How is a larger salary an incentive to behave well? If someone is daft then their salary won't change that. Just because someone is paid more doesn't mean they'll behave better outside of work and not everyone low paid behaves like an oik.

    Also "professional salary" - what is that? The "professions" vary in salary (e.g. doctors/solicitors/nurses). Teachers get the same starting salary as nurses and allied health professionals.

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    Starting salary is irrelevant, for the professions it would be lifetime average salary post qualification. (Nurses should also get more money.)

    A large salary makes the jobs more competitive. Candidates whose demeanour during the recruitment process is unattractive will then not be hired due to the quality of the competition.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Euan Blair's tweets won't be

    Cameron's youngest's filthy video won't be

    I think you massively underestimate the sticking power of the internet and you don't have to be GCHQ to find a great deal. It is no surprise that in 2000 when it was still in its infancy, cameraphones were too and most social media did not exist that not much can be found about what happened in Truro's millennium celebrations, but it is not 2000 anymore and investigative journalists who have been listening to our phone calls for years are not ordinary people.

    It's not even possible to delete your TSR account. Many posts cannot be deleted because the threads they are in are locked. Those that can are immortalised on other web pages and on TSR itself in quotes and images and recordings go with them and can be downloaded.

    Google and similar search engines are the key to the internet. The internet has only changed anything to the extent material is searchable. Otherwise it is no different to material in an 18th century newspaper volume sitting on a library shelf.


    Liverpool City Council's Licensing Committee met on 29th January 2015. We know that meeting happened and to some degree what went on because it is reported in the Liverpool Echo.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...rovide-8541117

    Try finding the minutes and agenda for that meeting. That material was once on the internet, but isn't now.

    The minutes for the next meeting on 19 March 2015 are here

    http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/...e%20201415.pdf

    What I want you to do is to make any google search you like from google's UK home page and try to get the 19 March 2015 minutes as a search result

    So what we have is material on a matter of public interest that in one case was on the internet and in the other case is still on the internet yet which is to all intents and purposes invisible to a searcher. That material is less than two years old yet it has disappeared from the internet.

    The 19 March 2015 minute is browsable, just about (there is no page directly linking to it, but you can get to it via the agenda page for the 9 July 2015 meeting) and you can phone Liverpool City Council and ask them to email you a copy of the 29 January minutes, but you need to know that material is relevant in order even to look there.

    I uploaded a primary school photo under my true name to the Friends Reunited site. I can't reach it. I can't google it. This is what the site says:-

    http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/

    I will in due course get a link to re-download my photo. But what about the photos my classmates uploaded and I used to be able to view. They are lost to me for ever.

    I used to use the www.regiments.org site for research. This contained a incredible range of material on the detailed movements of the British and Commonwealth Armies over 200 years. Hundreds of researchers had culled material from thousands of sources. And one day it disappeared. This is what remains

    http://www.militarian.com/threads/regiments-org.6598/

    http://web.archive.org/web/200601101...ents/index.htm

    Try using the Wayback Machine version and you will soon see the number of dead links.

    Something of incredible historical value has been lost.

    What about Leicester University's Historical Directories site.

    http://www2.le.ac.uk/library/find/sp...al-directories

    A searchable resource is now merely a collection of pdf documents.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Google and similar search engines are the key to the internet. The internet has only changed anything to the extent material is searchable. Otherwise it is no different to material in an 18th century newspaper volume sitting on a library shelf.


    Liverpool City Council's Licensing Committee met on 29th January 2015. We know that meeting happened and to some degree what went on because it is reported in the Liverpool Echo.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...rovide-8541117

    Try finding the minutes and agenda for that meeting. That material was once on the internet, but isn't now.
    How certain are you that this is even the case? It is surely totally redundant to make a meeting 'private' from the public and press only to release a detailed description of what took place and was said into the public domain after it had finished:

    However, the chair of the committee Cllr Christine Banks ruled that the meeting would be held in private as they could be discussing commercially sensitive details of the company’s operation...Cllr Banks told the meeting in Liverpool today she had decided to exclude the press and public from the meeting to allow a more open discussion about the company’s application
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    How certain are you that this is even the case? It is surely totally redundant to make a meeting 'private' from the public and press only to release a detailed description of what took place and was said into the public domain after it had finished:

    However, the chair of the committee Cllr Christine Banks ruled that the meeting would be held in private as they could be discussing commercially sensitive details of the company’s operation...Cllr Banks told the meeting in Liverpool today she had decided to exclude the press and public from the meeting to allow a more open discussion about the company’s application
    The minute would record the decision to sit in private. Essentially committee minutes from the July meeting are on the internet, the March meeting minutes are accessible because they were in the July meeting papers and everything older including January has fallen off the internet. When the next meeting happens, another old meeting will disappear.

    Another thing I failed to mention was the impermanence of commercial websites.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    The minute would record the decision to sit in private. Essentially committee minutes from the July meeting are on the internet, the March meeting minutes are accessible because they were in the July meeting papers and everything older including January has fallen off the internet. When the next meeting happens, another old meeting will disappear.

    Another thing I failed to mention was the impermanence of commercial websites.
    In the first place I was intending to refer mainly to how social media will affect public figures in the future. If journalists can dig up decades old chemist-developed photos of Ed Balls in a nazi uniform can you imagine the horror of what awaits the next generation of politicians.

    Material is much more easily saved and shared now with cloud storage, retweets, likes, reposts, smartphones and the evolution of the internet and spider software and lots else I don't really understand beyond the obvious implications. I imagine with the advent of face recognition and all that in describing Facebook photos to the blind we will soon be able to search the internet with much more than Google search or saved images which will make incriminating content much more easily accessible for journalists and members of the public. Stuff like this doesn't simply go away when the original host collapses, all the more so when there is a social element and comic and outrageous behaviour involved which frankly is more likely to be saved and shared and reposted than lists of the post-war locations of military regiments!

    It is almost willfully naive to think that things will be the same as ever they were when all there was were polaroids and student newspapers
 
 
 
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