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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Excuse me, do your research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rty_(UK,_1999); they fielded two candidates in the GE last year.
    They are about as minor as the Liberals and far right though
    "Patriotic centre" they described themselves as.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    "Patriotic centre" they described themselves as.

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    And I'm a socialist, I even have a photo with a S&D banner in Strasbourg to prove it.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And I'm a socialist, I even have a photo with a S&D banner in Strasbourg to prove it.
    Im not sayong that theyre at all moderate or centrist. Their leadership have connections to the NF and BNP and the party was running a think tank based on early 20th century facism in Italy

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You need to do your research too, there is the Socialist Party, although it stands under the TUSC banner as well as the Socialist Party of Great Britain
    That is the reason why banning RL names in the MHoC is near-impossible and undesirable.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Excuse me, do your research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rty_(UK,_1999); they fielded two candidates in the GE last year.
    They are about as minor as the Liberals and far right though
    In all fairness, I'm on my mobile Usually would have checked first.

    Most people would Associate the National Liberals with the early 20th century Liberal split rather than a minor party


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    Excuse me, do your research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rty_(UK,_1999); they fielded two candidates in the GE last year.
    They are about as minor as the Liberals and far right though
    We aren't named after this party nor vice versa

    We are a centrist party with a backbone
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    In all fairness, I'm on my mobile Usually would have checked first.

    Most people would Associate the National Liberals with the early 20th century Liberal split rather than a minor party


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    I wouldnt be so sure. Especially considering that anc didnt include any policies or and positions on anything. It could be safe for the electorate to assume that they are far right.

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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    That is the reason why banning RL names in the MHoC is near-impossible and undesirable.
    Again, something like a 1000 votes at the general election or 100 council seats being the requirement for not sharing a name makes sense.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    We aren't named after this party nor vice versa

    We are a centrist party with a backbone
    Which is irrelevant to the point

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    (Original post by Aph)
    Again, something like a 1000 votes at the general election or 100 council seats being the requirement for not sharing a name makes sense.
    Which is a very arbitrary restriction to put in place.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You need to do your research too, there is the Socialist Party, although it stands under the TUSC banner as well as the Socialist Party of Great Britain
    What I'm saying is that in real life, they are not a major party - they do not have a large support base. Furthermore, wikipedia is not a good place to do your so-called 'research'.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Which is a very arbitrary restriction to put in place.
    It's the point at which they are high up enough on tables not to count as 'other' generally.
    But everything is abatary.

    As I've said before my main issue with parties named after the real life counterparts is that it suggests a link and a relationship which doesn't have to be there. For instance I would have said that before corbyn labour was a fair bit further left then RL labour but because they existed first they can have whatever name they please and have whatever policies they want. That makes it unfair and misleading. If there were rules which stated that at least 90% of a parties policy had to be the same as their RL counterparts and parties could challenge another party for the name if they were closer to RL then the existing TSR party then I could support that.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    What I'm saying is that in real life, they are not a major party - they do not have a large support base. Furthermore, wikipedia is not a good place to do your so-called 'research'.
    Wanting to be a teacher then? Is it not funny how it is generally considered a good place to do your base research, especially given I imagine it's easier to get around then the electoral commission database?

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    (Original post by Aph)
    It's the point at which they are high up enough on tables not to count as 'other' generally.
    But everything is abatary.
    Neither a blanket ban nor no ban at all requires an arbitrary threshold to be imposed.

    As I've said before my main issue with parties named after the real life counterparts is that it suggests a link and a relationship which doesn't have to be there. For instance I would have said that before corbyn labour was a fair bit further left then RL labour but because they existed first they can have whatever name they please and have whatever policies they want. That makes it unfair and misleading. If there were rules which stated that at least 90% of a parties policy had to be the same as their RL counterparts and parties could challenge another party for the name if they were closer to RL then the existing TSR party then I could support that.
    My also problem is that there are different Labour parties, different Conservative parties etc. in different places. What Green Party would we use to control the Greens? The England and Wales one, the Scottish one, the NI one? What about if, say, Welsh Labour had a different policy position to Scottish Labour or English Labour on a policy? Whose policy would count. It's either totally unworkable or ridiculously controlling (again arbitrarily).
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Neither a blanket ban nor no ban at all requires an arbitrary threshold to be imposed.



    My also problem is that there are different Labour parties, different Conservative parties etc. in different places. What Green Party would we use to control the Greens? The England and Wales one, the Scottish one, the NI one? What about if, say, Welsh Labour had a different policy position to Scottish Labour or English Labour on a policy? Whose policy would count. It's either totally unworkable or ridiculously controlling (again arbitrarily).
    The reason why it's controlling is because otherwise people get a name just because they got there first. The Labour Party could all become free-market capitalists and could still call themselves labour. Also there aren't different labour parties, they all recognise Jezza as the leader and all work together. So it would be the national policies. The greens are interesting but I would say as they use the English logo and talk more about Natalie and Caroline it would be the E&W.

    If parties are to use the names of RL parties to get seats they should also represent the RL policies or else it is deceiving the electorate.
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    I wouldnt be so sure. Especially considering that anc didnt include any policies or and positions on anything. It could be safe for the electorate to assume that they are far right.

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    At first, when I encountered the 'National' part of their name, I presumed they were far-right.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The reason why it's controlling is because otherwise people get a name just because they got there first. The Labour Party could all become free-market capitalists and could still call themselves labour. Also there aren't different labour parties, they all recognise Jezza as the leader and all work together. So it would be the national policies. The greens are interesting but I would say as they use the English logo and talk more about Natalie and Caroline it would be the E&W.

    If parties are to use the names of RL parties to get seats they should also represent the RL policies or else it is deceiving the electorate.
    The Irish Labour Party is an example of a different Labour Party. Why shouldn't we be able to model ourselves on them, should be so wish? Or the Aussie Labor Party, or NZ Labour?
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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    At first, when I encountered the 'National' part of their name, I presumed they were far-right.
    That is very much the English mentality.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    The Irish Labour Party is an example of a different Labour Party. Why shouldn't we be able to model ourselves on them, should be so wish? Or the Aussie Labor Party, or NZ Labour?
    You mean the SDLP? And this is a UK forum so if you did that you would be stupid.

    The point about accountability still stands you have done nothing to reject it only say that you shouldn't be accountable. What gives your party more of a right to be called 'labour' then the greens or the socalists or even the liberals. As I've said before pre-Corbyn TSR labour was far left or RL labour being anti-trident, anti-monarchy and many other things that corbyn is. At that time the Liberals might have been more like RL labour then you were so why shouldn't they have been allowed to call themselves that?

    The cruxes of the argument is that at the end of the day a name is a name, but if a name confers an unfair advantage for no real reason then that name ought to be removed. Hence either enforcable ties to the real parties or bans on RL names and logos entirely.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    That is very much the English mentality.
    Its a product of often having the word "national" as part of far right movements. Much like the english flag in the same regard.

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