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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    Are there xenophobic people that aren't racist?
    It is entirely possible as they are two different things. A Venn diagram will certainly show an overlap, but they are by no means the same.
    In my experience, many people who are labelled "racists" are actually xenophobes, and some are neither.
    What would you call a black or Asian plumber bemoaning an influx of "bloody Polish" tradesmen? Is it racism, xenophobia, or just economic self-interest? Or a combination? The issue is nowhere near as clear as people on both sides often attempt to portray it.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    It is entirely possible as they are two different things. A Venn diagram will certainly show an overlap, but they are by no means the same.
    In my experience, many people who are labelled "racists" are actually xenophobes, and some are neither.
    What would you call a black or Asian plumber bemoaning an influx of "bloody Polish" tradesmen? Is it racism, xenophobia, or just economic self-interest? Or a combination? The issue is nowhere near as clear as people on both sides often attempt to portray it.
    Seems pedantic. I'd call the Asian plumber a racist yes, and in common speech so would most people i'd presume.

    Logically, that might be the case, but in real life is the distinction real?
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    I don't know why but op reminds me of this guy.


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    (Original post by Truthteller10)
    So capital punishment is barbaric?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So if some impressionable youth from a far-right family and environment is killed because their details were leaked, you wouldn't care.
    Can I assume that likewise, you wouldn't care about the death of the Palestinian child who is encouraged to throw stones at IDF soldiers? (After all, they are both essentially misguided youngsters engaging in behaviour against percieved interlopers, that they are not entirely responsible for).

    You see, when it all comes down, your position is no better that theirs. The dehuamanisation of an out-group, and dissasociation from their fate, is classic Nazi tactics.
    Oops, look what I just did!
    I don't think that the two situation can be compared, and can't be bothered to delve into my view on the Israel/Palestine conflict so won't stray off topic. But I will repeat: no; I don't wish any ill on these AfD members but don't will waste no energy caring what happens to them.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So when the Grenztruppen were gunning down people trying to cross the border to the West, were they Nazis as well?

    These sorts of discussions would be far less annoying if people had an understanding of the subjects they make their definitive statements about. I mean, most people don't seem to know the difference between "racist" and "xenophobe". And others seem to assume that anyone who behaves with inhumanity towards their fellow man is a "Nazi".
    :facepalm2:

    Also, can you gun someone down "like a human"? And is that any less unacceptable?
    1) There is a difference between using Nazi-like tactic and being a Nazi.

    2) I view xenophobes just as lowly as racists but the two usually correlate.

    3) Where did I indicate that there was a humane way to gun people down?
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Yes.


    Well that's your opinion, And i think I've made it clear that I don't really care too much about it.
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    AfD is not a racist party.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    AfD is not a racist party.
    I know they are not. They are equivalent to UKIP

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    (Original post by Truthteller10)
    Well that's your opinion, And i think I've made it clear that I don't really care too much about it.
    Same applies vice versa. Glad we can agree on something
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    (Original post by KaminiZindagi)
    I know they are not. They are equivalent to UKIP

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    -> Implies UKIP isnt racist :rofl:
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    (Original post by Multiculturalism)
    -> Implies UKIP isnt racist :rofl:
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
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    You keep on doing this, please stop, its rather annoying

    Either make a reasonable argument about how UKIP aren't racist, or go away
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    I just came across this, I immediately thought of you Multiculturalism


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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I just came across this, I immediately thought of you Multiculturalism


    Thanks for the complement (or did you think it was an insult?)
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    Far right and racist aren't inherently synonymous. They have been made so by insistence that conservative values are generally somehow racist and thus the ultra-right must be the racist-iest of all the racists. A lot of references are made to Nazism and facism as far right however the German Party commonly known as the Nazi's were the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party (ie two fundamentally left wing precepts). There is no inherent link between right leaning politics and racism or nationalism, http://www.whatispolitics.co.uk/ques...ght-wing-mean/ as shown in the source.

    As for refugees being harassed, there is a lack of legitimate discourse and people are taking it into their own hands. What do you expect? The governments have a history of covering up or ignoring both immigration concerns and crimes related to immigration (Rotherham, Cologne etc) and these few examples are enough for people to lose patience with the establishment and deal with the issue themselves, if the government dont serve the people then what is their purpose? Its not acceptable and those involved should be locked up for their illegal actions but its an inevitable outcome, fermenting problems under the surface by refusing to address them is not a way to promote unity or social cohesion. People are reasonably concerned about - particularly in the UK - practicalities, another person is exactly that. One more person to be registered, to have access to schools or employment, the NHS, to pay tax, to be policed and housed and so forth - all logistic issues which a country which is struggling with its current population, one only expected to increase. But such discourses are not allowed by the 'das raycist' crowd who dismiss any legitimate criticism as racism and thus breed the hatred they try to stop.

    As for leaking the details, disgusting. If there were no further consequences then it would be wrong anyway but this is a calculated move to have these people shamed by their communities and kicked out of their jobs as undesirables all for their legitimate political expression - its Maoist confessions all over again. Force people to humiliate themselves in public and repent their supposed crimes. Use group pressure to push conformity and to reduce free speech by peer pressure. Not to mention the data was illegally obtained - no doubt with the justification of the hackers conscience - and those who knowingly commit crimes free of guilt are the most dangerous of all.
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    (Original post by Multiculturalism)
    Thanks for the complement (or did you think it was an insult?)
    So me comparing you to a bunch of vandals, murderers and fascists (the anti-fascist variety) is a complement to you?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    So me comparing you to a bunch of vandals, murderers and fascists (the anti-fascist variety) is a complement to you?
    How can they be vandals and murderers, when they have not had human victims? Fascists (and it is ridiculous to call anti-fascists fascists) should not be confused for humans

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    (Original post by Multiculturalism)
    How can they be vandals and murderers, when they have not had human victims? Fascists (and it is ridiculous to call anti-fascists fascists) should not be confused for humans

    Are there any other groups you consider sub human?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Are there any other groups you consider sub human?
    No
 
 
 
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