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    (Original post by kiransohail)
    Okay, I am a Muslim. So this is going to be focused on why it is good. But let me just tell you that right now, what you just posted is what people say when they have been brainwashed by the media and who live off of knowing only stereotypes. If you've ever read the Qur'an or passages from it, or from the Hadiths, you will know how peaceful it is. There are people who claim they are Muslims, yes, and they kill and murder 'in the name of God'. Well, if someone went around and killed 10 people on the street and said hey were a Christian or Hindu or another religion and that they were doing things in the name of God, would you believe them? Would you believe that their religion truly accepts and encourages this sort of behavior?
    As Muslims, we believe that peace is everything. The only time we fight is in war, or I guess self defense. There are so many people who don't understand Islam. They think that everyone has to be Muslim and if they're not, they should be killed or punished. But the thing is, we also believe in free will. We've been put on this Earth as a test to see if we stay faithful to Allah (God) or if we sin and do the exact opposite. Also, there a literally millions of Muslims who are being bombed and murdered every single day. And those Palestinians? Those Syrians? Those Burmese? They are being murdered everyday and are just trying to survive and praying that they do. And what do they do? Are they killing people? Are they? No. They just live in the wrong place, and that's not even their fault. The only thing that they're doing is staying faithful to Allah because despite any sin, anything that you think can't possibly be forgiven, Allah forgives.

    That is what Islam is about. Not about the sinful things you write about. Just try looking up Islam. Not what people think, but what it is. Then argue about it.
    You have gone off topic. The OP addressed Islam, not Muslims. I couldn't care about Muslims, my interest is towards Islam and the left's love for it
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    You're the one who has changed the subject about five times, you're the one who brought up Christianity and Judaism earlier in this thread.


    Your argument boils down to "there isn't enough Muslim hate", which is bigoted and disturbing, given that there are groups of people like Britain First who's campaigns are solely anti-Islam.
    Actually I didn't bring it up. I responded to a post saying "why do I focus on Islam" and not Christianity or Judaism so please don't lie
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    You're the one who has changed the subject about five times, you're the one who brought up Christianity and Judaism earlier in this thread.


    Your argument boils down to "there isn't enough Muslim hate", which is bigoted and disturbing, given that there are groups of people like Britain First who's campaigns are solely anti-Islam.
    Look at the OP, it addresses Islam and the left, not Muslims. People like you kept mentioning Muslims to the point I had to address it. Stay on topic and stick to Islam...or is that too hard?
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    And who do you think represents Islam? We follow it. We follow the teachings of it. Your hate comes down to you not even understanding. And if you say you know enough, that's irrelevant.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    Actually I didn't bring it up. I responded to a post saying "why do I focus on Islam" and not Christianity or Judaism so please don't lie
    And you say that anything that varies the topic even by a single degree is 'changing the topic'. You made this offensive and bigoted thread, you deal with the consequences. But you could at least try not to outright lie, you said this:

    (Original post by Omen96)
    Christianity is barbaric and deserves to burnJudaism is barbaric and deserves to burnIf you read my OP you will know I hate religion with a passion so are you happy now I had to explicitly state it. Now back on topic why do the left love and accept Islam, and ignore the violence it promotes and has caused throughout history?
    You're a hypocrite as well as a bigot, you cry to me for changing the subject but you change the subject yourself. Your entire post is based on the delusion that there is a necessary amount of 'hate' that has to be directed towards Islam, they get more hate than all other religions combined in the western world because of racist xenophobes like you who want to criticise a foreign religion because you're too lazy to differentiate between them and the terrorists, who actually kill Muslims more than any other ethnic group.
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    But you did mention it. Why is there so much hate and anger?
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    1. Western gender feminism ruled the 'personal is political.' This was revolutionary, because up until this point the personal had rarely entered the political realm. This was around about the time 'whiteness studies' was born, the notion that white people had structural advantage over other ethnicities. All of the founders of second-wave feminism were communists, including Betty Friedan (author of the book which underpinned the second-wave movement, ie, 'The Feminine Mystique). Their struggle against the white man was mirrored in the struggle faced by other identities, including 'people of colour.'

    2. Labour realised the working classes weren't giving it its 'class war' - this created resentment within the ranks of the Labour Party towards the white working classes. Stuart Hall invented Multiculturalism, the notion that hundreds of disparate identities could live side-by-side providing they refused to acknowledge difference - assimilation was deemed racist. Moral relativism was key (the notion that certain moralities were applicable within certain groups, even if they conflict with liberal principles, because it would lead to a more desirable outcome: 'diversity.'

    Moral relativism ruled identity (equality for women) should precede principle (equality), and forms the cornerstone of what's wrong with the modern day British Society, yet it's the issue no-one ever speaks of.

    3. Third Way Politics came to the fore, it attempted to amalgamate right-wing economic models and left-wing social policy. At its core, it was about manufacturing unachievable outcomes to ensure a perpetual struggle between conflicting groups, with a view to destroying existing power structures. Unachievable and ambiguous objectives were created ('diversity', 'tolerance', 'equality', etc.), all of which could only be advanced by individual interpretation (ie, 64 million people will disagree on what amounts to 'equality', particularly when morality is applied inconsistently or in a relative fashion based upon identity), to manufacture the perpetual struggle between the in-group and the warring out-groups (the latter being Labour's new electorate).

    4. The Labour Party re-branded as New Labour, as all Socialists/Communists/Liberals/Social Democrats/Progressives like to do every 20 years.

    5. Tony Blair came to power in 1997, and wanted to solidify Labour's power - he realised the existing electorate wouldn't keep them in power indefinitely, so he had to import an electorate which would. He re-invented spin, knowing full well how important the 'narrative' in society was to ushering in his ideals. Shame and guilt were to be the primary weapons of New Labour throughout its tenure, and is something many people have come to accept as 'moral.'

    6. Labour imported thousands of disparate identities (4 million migrants) into British Society, and legitimised its approach by keeping it low key - as Labour are well aware, migrants are far, far more likely to vote Labour. They had begun to solidify their base support. Peter Mandelson: 'we sent out search parties for migrants.' Andrew Neather (senior policy advisor to Tony Blair): 'mass immigration was all about rubbing the right's nose in diversity.'

    7. The best way to get the new electorate to vote for them was to pit everyone off against everyone else - identity (gender, sexuality, religion and ethnicity) would become the new proxy for class warfare. Labour announced their 'education revolution', to push all young people through Universities, where they would be forced to ingest the progressive, New Labour message (academia is dominated by the left-wing, as is the BBC): migration is 'good.' Soon enough, everyone had a degree. Universities pushed out self-loathing white kids on a conveyor belt.

    As the KGB always determined, the best way to usurp a nation-state is to brainwash, and shame and guilt, its youth. Moral relativism was the order of the day, as was anti-nationalism. History texts refused to acknowledge the enslavement of white people and the enslavement of every black slave by African tribal leaders, dictionaries apportioned responsibility for 'fascism' to the right-wing.

    8. Various events like Rotherham, Cologne, electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets, 9/11, homogeneous boroughs masquerading as 'diverse' when they are groupings of one ethnicity or religion, female genital mutilation, rampant incestual marriage within Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities, honour killings, Sharia courts, surveys indicating tremendous support for the implementation of Sharia Law within British Muslim communities and forced marriage, had ceased to become enough for the new electorate to denounce their progressive ideology, even when it came into conflict with their cherished liberal values, ie, genuine feminism.

    9. The BBC continues to operate a policy of balance, while simultaneously operating a policy of bias by omission - up until 2013, the BBC was still creating connotations between racism and mass immigration. The BBC has slowly, over the course of 15 years, become stacked with progressives. A simple look at Facebook data shows 10,000+ 'liberals' working for the BBC, and only 300 who identify as 'conservative.'
    “I do remember… the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I’ll always remember that”– Jane Garvey, Radio 4 presenter, recalling Tony Blair’s election victory in 1997

    10. UKIP came to the ascendancy. The older generations, acutely aware of historic events and how much they've been manipulated by falsified historical narratiuves and what the left is attempting to do, voted for them. The BBC jumps on events like Godfrey Bloom uttering 'Bongo Bongo Land' and repeats his quote across 118 news items, hundreds of hours of broadcasting, and across commercial radio. Soon enough, assumption creep is in full effect: if Godfrey thinks this way, then they all must think this way - The BBC says so! As per always, all of the hundreds of instances of racism within Labour, The Tories and Lib Dems are ignored, or treated sympathetically, and UKIP is satirised and ruined as a political force.

    11. Present day.
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    And you say that anything that varies the topic even by a single degree is 'changing the topic'. You made this offensive and bigoted thread, you deal with the consequences. But you could at least try not to outright lie, you said this:


    You're a hypocrite as well as a bigot, you cry to me for changing the subject but you change the subject yourself. Your entire post is based on the delusion that there is a necessary amount of 'hate' that has to be directed towards Islam, they get more hate than all other religions combined in the western world because of racist xenophobes like you who want to criticise a foreign religion because you're too lazy to differentiate between them and the terrorists, who actually kill Muslims more than any other ethnic group.
    What are you on about? You referred to Islam as "they". Islam is an ideology. Islam is not a group of people. Why is it wrong to attack a fascist ideology?
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    What are you on about? You referred to Islam as "they". Islam is an ideology. Islam is not a group of people. Why is it wrong to attack a fascist ideology?
    I'm talking about Muslims :facepalm:

    And I gave you several reasons as to why you should stop attacking a 1500 year old religion, which you can't blame for developing extremist tenets.

    All was explained, but you're obviously not reading my posts.
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    (Original post by kiransohail)
    As Muslims, we believe that peace is everything.
    Perhaps you can explain what you believe the Koran verses 5:29-40 mean, and what it means for peace with atheists or those that criticise Islam?
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    I'm talking about Muslims :facepalm:

    And I gave you several reasons as to why you should stop attacking a 1500 year old religion, which you can't blame for developing extremist tenets.

    All was explained, but you're obviously not reading my posts.
    The ideology opposes homosexuality among 100s more disgraceful things. That is not the extremist part of the ideology, that IS the ideology. Could you at least answer this question- do you believe Islam (the ideology) is a religion of peace and tolerance?

    You seem to think we can't hate Islam while not hating Muslims. We can though. Why can't we hate Islam and not hate Muslims?
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    The ideology opposes homosexuality among 100s more disgraceful things. That is not the extremist part of the ideology, that IS the ideology. Could you at least answer this question- do you believe Islam (the ideology) is a religion of peace and tolerance?

    You seem to think we can't hate Islam while not hating Muslims. We can though. Why can't we hate Islam and not hate Muslims?
    So does Christianity, but why do you focus so profoundly on Islam? I don't believe Islam, or any religion, is perfect, but the Muslims who follow Islam are generally good people and they should not be subject to your relentless flurry of religious hatred. You're hating on a 1500 year old religion. You would not be openly criticising Islam like this if it weren't for the actions of terrorist groups claiming to purport this religion.
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    Any decent empathetic non-ignorant human being should be able to respect Islam. End of.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council

    Labour have won with the most seats for decades proving labour control

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-28370552

    If you scroll down you will find that there are reports that local government was warned about the Trojan horse scandal while Labour were in government

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham

    You will find that Rotherham spanned from 1997 to 2013, ironic, 13 years of Labour and started when Labour came into power

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal

    Rotherham has been controlled by Labour for ages
    None of this proves your point though...
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    You seem to think we can't hate Islam while not hating Muslims. We can though. Why can't we hate Islam and not hate Muslims?[/QUOTE]

    Because Muslims follow Islam and for Muslims, Islam is life. So saying you hate Islam is just as if you said you hate Muslims.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    What are you on about? You referred to Islam as "they". Islam is an ideology. Islam is not a group of people. Why is it wrong to attack a fascist ideology?
    It's called respect. Whether you disagree with the views of a group of people or not, it's just manners if you can't say anything nice, not to say anything at all.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Perhaps you can explain what you believe the Koran verses 5:29-40 mean, and what it means for peace with atheists or those that criticise Islam?
    Pick out individual quotes and give them to me. But even that is not good enough. What I sent is true. We do believe peace is everything. But if you look at something and make accusations and hateful words towards it without truly understand the words of the Qur'an, You're walking into this argument blind.
    Once you understand the whole religion and the reasons behind it, then come at me. You can fight me on this all you like and I still will not break because I have lived my whole life learning and understanding what and why things are like they are. And you can go to an Imam and argue or look online and find things to argue about still, but if you look and understand, your arguments will not stay 'valid' for long.
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    The left loves to exploit anything that will further their power.

    The difference is this time they may well get a dose of their own medicine.
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    So does Christianity, but why do you focus so profoundly on Islam? I don't believe Islam, or any religion, is perfect, but the Muslims who follow Islam are generally good people and they should not be subject to your relentless flurry of religious hatred. You're hating on a 1500 year old religion. You would not be openly criticising Islam like this if it weren't for the actions of terrorist groups claiming to purport this religion.
    Wait we have actually gone in circles lol, at least I know you are a troll. You quoted me not long ago saying Christianity is barbaric and I want it to burn so you know my views on that, I didn't know you were trolling
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    (Original post by kiransohail)
    It's called respect. Whether you disagree with the views of a group of people or not, it's just manners if you can't say anything nice, not to say anything at all.
    Where does respect come into it? I have the right (living in a secular democracy) to criticise ideologies. You people criticise right wing ideologies all the time so I have every right to criticise Islam. If you don't believe in the right to criticise ideologies go to North Korea, you will be right at home
 
 
 
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