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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    You can continue to isolate Gay Muslims by telling them that there is something wrong with them, but in the end you will only succeed in driving them away from your religion. Maybe it's for the best, they will finally be free from an ideology that makes its adherents live in guilt and shame.
    Comprehension... Where did i say there was something wrong with them... I said in my first point it doesnt concern me wheteher a persons straight or not, thats their decision and from a muslim perspective which is what the QUESTION is regarding, its clear that thats between God and the person.

    Im not driving anyone away, people know full well that the act of homosexuality is a sin in islam, if someone is sinning it doesn't stop them from being a "muslim", because everyone sins but theres degrees to sins. To expect muslims to adjust and make new rules for gay people is ludicrous, since it has nothing to do with muslims but between God and the individual, because being a muslim is a choice you cant therefore force islam to accept homosexual behavior as acceptable.
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    (Original post by CAPTAINSHAZAM)
    "called him out"... I literally said i was "curious"to know at the end, didnt call anyone out and i even said it doesnt concern me whether people are straight or gay, i just wanted to know why a muslim was "happy".
    Really dont understand what youre even doing, you keep changing your point, it wasnt about judging anyone, a sin is a sin you can still be an alcholoic and be a muslim, because its about the act of being a muslim not just the label, so again nothing to do with judging. Everyone commits sin even muslims, by that logic no one would be a muslim then.
    Sorry for saying "called him out" then.

    How did I change my point?

    I first stated that there were open minded Muslims and Muslims who did not follow Islam fully (but were all still Muslim).

    I then stated saying they were a Muslim who was fine with homosexuality and it doesn't matter if they are or aren't for homosexuality (but still can be Muslim).

    I may have misunderstood your post, so I apologise. However, to me it like you were outraged they were Muslim and okay with homosexuality.
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    Sorry for saying "called him out" then.

    How did I change my point?

    I first stated that there were open minded Muslims and Muslims who did not follow Islam fully (but were all still Muslim).

    I then stated saying they were a Muslim who was fine with homosexuality and it doesn't matter if they are or aren't for homosexuality (but still can be Muslim).

    I may have misunderstood your post, so I apologise. However, to me it like you were outraged they were Muslim ]and okay with homosexuality.
    whats an 'open minded muslim?'
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    (Original post by CAPTAINSHAZAM)
    Comprehension... Where did i say there was something wrong with them... I said in my first point it doesnt concern me wheteher a persons straight or not, thats their decision and from a muslim perspective which is what the QUESTION is regarding, its clear that thats between God and the person.

    Im not driving anyone away, people know full well that the act of homosexuality is a sin in islam, if someone is sinning it doesn't stop them from being a "muslim", because everyone sins but theres degrees to sins. To expect muslims to adjust and make new rules for gay people is ludicrous, since it has nothing to do with muslims but between God and the individual, because being a muslim is a choice you cant therefore force islam to accept homosexual behavior as acceptable.
    Everything is a sin. Religion is a bundle of contradictions, all of them. Nobody forces anything on Islam; these things are human decency. As you said, it is about God and you. It is private, personal. The conduct towards gay people in Islam is not private and personal its national oppression, murder and hatred. Prejudice and religion intertwine on this issue. People don't act modestly about it at large in the Islamic community and that's just the way it is. However, if you are going to live in the West, you must accept and adhere to the rules of those countries - such as the UK. If you are here, you abide by these rules. Anti-gay abuse, discrimination, whatever, is illegal. Deal with it.
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    Okay, here's my opinion. First, I'd take them to see an endocrinologist, so that they'd get assessed for hormone replacement therapy. Unlike most of the people raised in our present culture, I do not share the politically-correct belief that hormone imbalances altering sexual orientation or gender should be left untreated, because all genders/orientations must be seen as being normal and that it shouldn't be considered a health issue.

    If they refused, or if them being homosexual isn't because of any biological cause, I'd advise them not to have any kind of homosexual sexual encounter. I'd be really really strict about it and I'd give them loads of long lectures.

    If they didn't listen to me, I'd still keep them in my life. They'd still be my child after all.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    whats an 'open minded muslim?'
    Well there are Muslims who aren't open minded (such as my parents). However my sister who is Muslim is open minded. For example, my parents would be against me wearing shorts but my sister wouldn't really care.

    The clear definition of open minded is someone who is unprejudiced and open to different ideas.

    In this case, it would be the user who is fine with their child being homosexual.

    Nonetheless, "open minded" is a subjective term.
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    (Original post by cosmic angel)
    Okay, here's my opinion. First, I'd take them to see an endocrinologist, so that they'd get assessed for hormone replacement therapy. Unlike most of the people raised in our present culture, I do not share the politically-correct belief that hormone imbalances altering sexual orientation or gender should be left untreated, because all genders/orientations must be seen as being normal and that it shouldn't be considered a health issue.

    If they refused, or if them being homosexual isn't because of any biological cause, I'd advise them not to have any kind of homosexual sexual encounter. I'd be really really strict about it and I'd give them loads of long lectures.

    If they didn't listen to me, I'd still keep them in my life. They'd still be my child after all.
    You are horrendous. That is illegal. Hormone therapy of chemical castration as it was formally called, is not legal. What an awful thing to do. It isn't politically correct to say homosexuality isn't a disease - it's not. The science has been done. Deal with it. Your child is going to be scarred forever if that's how tou behave and I'd be surprised if she or he wants you in their life anymore. They have the right to have sex, and the right to be inlove People like you should move to countries that share your views rather than forcing it on people here. Go and live in Saudi if that is what you want the world to be like.

    I honestly cannot believe half of what I have read today.
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    So disappointed and sad.
    Before ivybridge comes and tells me how I should and should not feel about my child, I want grandkids. Nothing wrong with adopted but I want my children to have their own.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Having a homosexual daughter/son is nothing to be disappointed about.
    Maybe not for you.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    You are horrendous. That is illegal. Hormone therapy of chemical castration as it was formally called, is not legal. What an awful thing to do. It isn't politically correct to say homosexuality isn't a disease - it's not. The science has been done. Deal with it. Your child is going to be scarred forever if that's how tou behave and I'd be surprised if she or he wants you in their life anymore.

    I honestly cannot believe half of what I have read today.
    Ohmigosh. Hormone therapy isn't castration! :C I think we're talking about different things. It's something lots of doctors do, even in the UK. That's what endocrinologists (=hormone specialists) are for! They diagnose hormone imbalances. As a student studying a medical course, I can tell you that the endocrine and reproductive systems do fail!
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    (Original post by donutellme)
    Maybe not for you.
    What is so disappointing about your child being in love with the same sex? It's such a non-existence issue. Seriously.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So disappointed and sad.
    Before ivybridge comes and tells me how I should and should not feel about my child, I want grandkids. Nothing wrong with adopted but I want my children to have their own.
    Are you not planning on having more than one child?
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    You are horrendous. That is illegal. Hormone therapy of chemical castration as it was formally called, is not legal. What an awful thing to do. It isn't politically correct to say homosexuality isn't a disease - it's not. The science has been done. Deal with it. Your child is going to be scarred forever if that's how tou behave and I'd be surprised if she or he wants you in their life anymore. They have the right to have sex, and the right to be inlove People like you should move to countries that share your views rather than forcing it on people here. Go and live in Saudi if that is what you want the world to be like.

    I honestly cannot believe half of what I have read today.
    Also, why're you accusing me of wanting to change UK laws or of wanting to force my beliefs on people living here in the UK? I have zero intention of doing either. All I've told you was how I'd deal with my own child, within my own family - and I wouldn't even be forcing them!

    You are ridiculous.
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    By definition a Muslim will reject the child.
    If they don't then they are not following Islam, even if they say they are. You don't get to change the definitions of words. >.>
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    Some of the response on here make me despair for humanity
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    (Original post by CAPTAINSHAZAM)
    Comprehension... Where did i say there was something wrong with them... I said in my first point it doesnt concern me wheteher a persons straight or not, thats their decision and from a muslim perspective which is what the QUESTION is regarding, its clear that thats between God and the person.

    Im not driving anyone away, people know full well that the act of homosexuality is a sin in islam, if someone is sinning it doesn't stop them from being a "muslim", because everyone sins but theres degrees to sins. To expect muslims to adjust and make new rules for gay people is ludicrous, since it has nothing to do with muslims but between God and the individual, because being a muslim is a choice you cant therefore force islam to accept homosexual behavior as acceptable.
    To say that he is sinning is to say that there is something wrong with him just for being who he is! I cannot force you to accept homosexuality but if you want to be so rigid you will be doing your religion no favours. It isn't real anyway so it's not to say that Gay Muslims are the ones losing out. There is no logical reason whatsoever why it should be wrong or "a sin"
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    (Original post by cosmic angel)
    Ohmigosh. Hormone therapy isn't castration! :C I think we're talking about different things. It's something lots of doctors do, even in the UK. That's what endocrinologists (=hormone specialists) are for! They diagnose hormone imbalances. As a student studying a medical course, I can tell you that the endocrine and reproductive systems do fail!
    (Original post by cosmic angel)
    Also, why're you accusing me of wanting to change UK laws or of wanting to force my beliefs on people living here in the UK? I have zero intention of doing either. All I've told you was how I'd deal with my own child, within my own family - and I wouldn't even be forcing them!

    You are ridiculous.
    Yes you would be forcing them because you would be pulling them to doctors, giving them lectures, practically making them feel so bad about themselves. This is literally like emotional abuse.

    Furthermore, hormone therapy was used against gays in recent history in this country. It was referred to as chemical castration. It is not legal to try and treat being gay through hormone therapy in this country. Being gay is not an illness and it is not politically correct to say so. Don't be so ludicrous.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Are you not planning on having more than one child?
    I want them from each of my kids
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I want them from each of my kids
    Aww, so your child not having biological children is a reason to be against homosexual relationships? No, grow up, seriously.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So disappointed and sad.
    Before ivybridge comes and tells me how I should and should not feel about my child, I want grandkids. Nothing wrong with adopted but I want my children to have their own.
    What's wrong with being told how to handle these situations the right way? I am not telling anybody how to "feel". Whether or not you want grandkids is neither here nor there - your child is not there to please you and mould their life around your expectations. Also, gay people can have kids via surrogates, making them biologically theirs. Educate yourself.
 
 
 
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