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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    So if you've been doing essay based degrees and you don't use the theory you've learnt off to make arguments, what do you do? Write back the same things you've learnt in the paper? You're not helping your case.
    What are you talking about, of course we have had to learn theories and apply knowledge. But it goes further than that. You are expected to use your initiative, and actually develop original and interesting ideas and contributions to your thesis. Which is something that places these subjects, above pure science i'm afraid.
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    I never said psychology was easy. I said it was easier than the other sciences, big difference, as in relative difficulty. I think that's a big misunderstanding you have about what I've been saying all along.

    It's not a real science because things are described vaguely and exact predictions or predictions with a high degree of certainty cannot be made. Just the fact that it's called "social" science excludes it from being exact because it's not like you guys are using chaos theory to come up with your predictions in your theories, so it's mostly qualitative which is not exact and so not a real science.
    There's a lot we don't know about the human brain and neuroscience, which is what a lot of psychology is about. That's why we can't and don't go stomping around making sweeping conclusions, the opposite to yourself.

    "Mostly qualitative" lol. You said you know a lot about stats but let me just educate you on why we use it.

    In psychology, we use statistics to determine whether what we found in a study is significant or not. We don't want the results to just be out of chance. Therefore, usually results that aren't significant are scrapped in certain situations and studies. If you've actually read a psychological report from a well established journal, you'd know this. Statistics are crucial in psychology and if anybody actually wrote something "qualitative" without statistically valid psychological evidence, nobody will ever regard it as relevant.

    Just a word of advice, I know a few people including me have approached you for what you've said on this thread so I really do advise you to do your research before coming on here making yourself look bad. I genuinely mean that. If you had plausible arguments for what you believe, nobody could throw insults at you for being so ignorant. Especially when you claim to be some kind of master at knowing everything about a psychology degree. You've proved, very well actually, that you don't.

    Have a good night :-)



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    A-levels to first year, not too bad. Some challenging bits and some okay bits. There were times during the first few week where I wanted to give up and study A-levels again but I stuck with it and felt fine.

    First year to second year... I felt a bit lost at sea, really. Some things were just too difficult for me and I lost a lot of motivation. Gutted as well that one of the units I know I'm going to do terribly is no longer compulsory, starting in in 2 years time. :sad:
    What modules are you struggling in?
    Did you do STEP?
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    What are you talking about, of course we have had to learn theories and apply knowledge. But it goes further than that. You are expected to use your initiative, and actually develop original and interesting ideas and contributions to your thesis. Which is something that places these subjects, above pure science i'm afraid.
    Isn't that just making an argument for your case because surely you'll have to justify why you're doing what you're doing.

    You're wrong, design in engineering requires a lot of creativity and it's not something you would find in a book so again you're talking about things you don't know about. You keep saying pure science as if you're trying to avoid engineering but it's a part of STEM too and science in general.
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    What modules are you struggling in?
    Did you do STEP?
    No STEP :hide: it might've helped improve my mathematical ability by a lot

    I was struggling with algebra, but have been done with that since last semester.

    Been struggling with analysis the past two, barely passed the first semester and not sure I'll pass the one I sat this time. Also struggled with an accounting module. I have no one to blame but myself, for my laziness and lack of interest but oh well, lessons learnt for the future.
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    Isn't that just making an argument for your case because surely you'll have to justify why you're doing what you're doing.

    You're wrong, design in engineering requires a lot of creativity and it's not something you would find in a book so again you're talking about things you don't know about. You keep saying pure science as if you're trying to avoid engineering but it's a part of STEM too and science in general.
    Yes we do have to make arguments, yes we have to justify what we are doing, have you heard of a literature review, we have to do those sometimes, which includes a review of the journals and other written publications to our research. No one is question the calibre or accuracy of your degree, but what i am challenging is your assumption that just because you are doing a male degree, makes it anyhow better than a female one. In another world i could have done a maths based degree, and gone in to this realm, however life happened, and i ended up taking sociology single honours, and then adding a theatre studies minor to it after the first year.

    Again you are doing a good stem degree, which is rewarding and challenging. And degrees which are stem, clearly are more subjective and less scientifically rigorous by their very nature. All of this you can take for a given.

    But what i refuse to accept is your presumption that STEM is somehow superior to English, and theatre, and sociology and psychology and the humanities by it's very nature.

    Thats like saying a PhD graduate is not a doctor, because they have not done medicine. Actually a phd student is a doctor, just a different specialism. Having a phd is above a bachelor's degree. In fact any phd, assuming it's not a really pathetic one, is better than any bachelors degree, stem or whatever. Would you agree with this statement at least>?
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    There's a lot we don't know about the human brain and neuroscience, which is what a lot of psychology is about. That's why we can't and don't go stomping around making sweeping conclusions, the opposite to yourself.

    "Mostly qualitative" lol. You said you know a lot about stats but let me just educate you on why we use it.

    In psychology, we use statistics to determine whether what we found in a study is significant or not. We don't want the results to just be out of chance. Therefore, usually results that aren't significant are scrapped in certain situations and studies. If you've actually read a psychological report from a well established journal, you'd know this. Statistics are crucial in psychology and if anybody actually wrote something "qualitative" without statistically valid psychological evidence, nobody will ever regard it as relevant.

    Just a word of advice, I know a few people including me have approached you for what you've said on this thread so I really do advise you to do your research before coming on here making yourself look bad. I genuinely mean that. If you had plausible arguments for what you believe, nobody could throw insults at you for being so ignorant. Especially when you claim to be some kind of master at knowing everything about a psychology degree. You've proved, very well actually, that you don't.

    Have a good night :-)



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    I never claimed to be a master of psychology? That's another assumption you've made. Oh statistcs is the most deceptive tool in use today. They can be manipulated to no end to suit results. Also, stats just makes correlations and never gives a causation, that's the qualitative stuff that I've been talking about. Basing theories solely on statistics is what makes the social sciences shaky.

    Social science studies has so many variables, it makes it hard to do a research and make accurate predictions about future behaviour or events.

    You know who has that same problem? Metrology. You know what they do? They use chaos theory which a highly advanced mathematical method of finding order in disorder. The maths is so complex it cannot be done by hand and it needs to be done by computer.

    When the social sciences start using rigorous methods for making predictions about their theories only then it can be considered in league with the natural sciences. As of now, it's akin to the little sister of natural science struggling in school to understand maths.
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    (Original post by SeanFM)
    No STEP :hide: it might've helped improve my mathematical ability by a lot

    I was struggling with algebra, but have been done with that since last semester.

    Been struggling with analysis the past two, barely passed the first semester and not sure I'll pass the one I sat this time. Also struggled with an accounting module. I have no one to blame but myself, for my laziness and lack of interest but oh well, lessons learnt for the future.
    On a scale of 1 to 10, how high would you rate your work ethic?
    (No I'm not initiating a game of 20 questions )
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    Yes we do have to make arguments, yes we have to justify what we are doing, have you heard of a literature review, we have to do those sometimes, which includes a review of the journals and other written publications to our research. No one is question the calibre or accuracy of your degree, but what i am challenging is your assumption that just because you are doing a male degree, makes it anyhow better than a female one. In another world i could have done a maths based degree, and gone in to this realm, however life happened, and i ended up taking sociology single honours, and then adding a theatre studies minor to it after the first year.

    Again you are doing a good stem degree, which is rewarding and challenging. And degrees which are stem, clearly are more subjective and less scientifically rigorous by their very nature. All of this you can take for a given.

    But what i refuse to accept is your presumption that STEM is somehow superior to English, and theatre, and sociology and psychology and the humanities by it's very nature.

    Thats like saying a PhD graduate is not a doctor, because they have not done medicine. Actually a phd student is a doctor, just a different specialism. Having a phd is above a bachelor's degree. In fact any phd, assuming it's not a really pathetic one, is better than any bachelors degree, stem or whatever. Would you agree with this statement at least>?
    All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
    I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

    I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
    I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

    I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.
    I never mentioned your degree. Don't involve me.

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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
    I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

    I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.
    These were analogies. (Do you need for me to explain to you what that word means as well? It's definition?)
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    All I've seen so far is you two keep making assumptions about my views. I've never said that I think what I'm doing is superior at all. That's purely assumption on your path because me saying social sciences are not real sciences isn't me saying I thing my degree is better.
    I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this argument and has nothing to do with me.

    I've never said anything about male and female degrees or phds and not being a real doctor, that's all you and I have no idea where you're coming up with these things from.
    Somebody who claims to be doing an expert degree, but doesn't even know basic English. Sounds about right!??
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    I never mentioned your degree. Don't involve me.

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    The assumption I was talking about in your case was that you saying that I'm a master of psychology and claiming to be an aficionado in statistics, things which I've never claimed to be.
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    These were analogies. (Do you need for me to explain to you what that word means as well? It's definition?)
    Yes, I know they were analogies but I have no idea why you brought them up because nobody was talking about medicine or doctors or social sciences being female dominated and stem being male dominated so they came out of the blue.

    Your attempts to belittle me aren't working.
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    Somebody who claims to be doing an expert degree, but doesn't even know basic English. Sounds about right!??
    See post above this.
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    Yes, I know they were analogies but I have no idea why you brought them up because nobody was talking about medicine or doctors or social sciences being female dominated and stem being male dominated so they came out of the blue.

    Your attempts to belittle me aren't working.
    I'm not attempting to belittle you.

    Okay let's reverse engineer this argument, into the ad hominem which is typically used in these debates.

    I have a wife of eight years, and a step daughter who i have supported for the last three. I have been a homemaker for five years, and am also an author and recovery schizophrenia patient for over ten. In 1997 i broke my neck and was in a coma for ten days, being three on the life reading scale.

    And you have done a stem degree. Big whhoopie hoo,
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    I'm not attempting to belittle you.

    Okay let's reverse engineer this argument, into the ad hominem which is typically used in these debates.

    I have a wife of eight years, and a step daughter who i have supported for the last three. I have been a homemaker for five years, and am also an author and recovery schizophrenia patient for over ten. In 1997 i broke my neck and was in a coma for ten days, being three on the life reading scale.

    And you have done a stem degree. Big whhoopie hoo,
    Again, I'm saying I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this debate and it has nothing to do with me.

    All the other stuff you said is relevant how?
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    (Original post by Ras' Al Ghul)
    Again, I'm saying I feel like your insecurities are coming off in this debate and it has nothing to do with me.

    All the other stuff you said is relevant how?
    ii reverse engineered an ad hominem attack. in other words put my own trials up against your degree. And i comparison doing an engineering degree is a walk in the park i'm afraid. Try rereading what i wrote thanks.

    This is the second time you have failed to grasp the meaning of my posts. Which again suggests that whatever they teach you at your university, it does not fully develop the mind and character/consciousness i'm afraid.

    When we do a degree we are expected to grow as characters and individuals, also becoming adults and more fully rounded people in the process.

    And don't just say 'i don't see the relevance of this'. Go read a novel.
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    ii reverse engineered an ad hominem attack. in other words put my own trials up against your degree. And i comparison doing an engineering degree is a walk in the park i'm afraid. Try rereading what i wrote thanks.

    This is the second time you have failed to grasp the meaning of my posts. Which again suggests that whatever they teach you at your university, it does not fully develop the mind and character/consciousness i'm afraid.

    When we do a degree we are expected to grow as characters and individuals, also becoming adults and more fully rounded people in the process.

    And don't just say 'i don't see the relevance of this'. Go read a novel.
    So we're back to insults again wow. This is clearly going NO WHERE and you seem angry at the world because of the things that has happened to you.
    Your experiences has nothing to do with my degree and affect my ability to perform in any way at all. I don't know if you want me to say well because you've been through a lot it's some sort of "excuse" for you doing a non STEM degree and that you otherwise would've been able to do a STEM degree. Because that makes no sense to me. Also using the words reverse engineer like that is not the correct usage of the phrase.

    This would be the LAST time I am responding to any of your posts with personal attacks. I think you've veered so far off the topic at hand I wouldn't bother responding to you at all.
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    (Original post by john2054)
    What are you talking about, of course we have had to learn theories and apply knowledge. But it goes further than that. You are expected to use your initiative, and actually develop original and interesting ideas and contributions to your thesis. Which is something that places these subjects, above pure science i'm afraid.
    Come on now. You can't say there is no creativity and need for initiative in science and you especially can say it about maths.
    Please elaborate though if you feel I am wrong.
 
 
 
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