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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Giving them fines is still persecuting.

    Which have it legal?

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    Bosnia, Kazakhstan and Turkey are a few examples of where it's legal.

    I think what they mean by fines is when doing it in public which is I think would be the same case in secular countries too.
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    Have you ever seen a more pathetic sight? The Islamists have their boot on gay people's neck, and these fools are thanking them for it and bowing before them. Rarely do you see someone abase themselves so completely. and advocate so entirely for their own enslavement

    How is it pathetic. Why can somebody not fight for the end of lgbt discrimination whilst also Fighting to end the discrimination of Muslims.

    That's not saying there aren't problems within the Muslim community or Islam, that's not to say none of those problems effect lgbt members.
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    (Original post by garfeeled)
    How is it pathetic. Why can somebody not fight for the end of lgbt discrimination whilst also Fighting to end the discrimination of Muslims.
    What discrimination against Muslims? Are there any laws in Britain that oppress Muslims? Are they barred from public office? Are their houses of worship suppressed?

    And by "Islamophobia" what they actually tend to mean is criticism of Islam, not actual discrimination against Musiims.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Bosnia, Kazakhstan and Turkey are a few examples of where it's legal.

    I think what they mean by fines is when doing it in public which is I think would be the same case in secular countries too.
    3 countries in a sea of hate and all of those countries not legally recognising same eex couples.

    Which secular countries fine people for displays of public affection?
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    (Original post by RobML)
    People are seperate from their government...

    No. Depends on the interpretation of Sharia within said Islamic state.
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    What discrimination against Muslims? Are there any laws in Britain that oppress Muslims? Are they barred from public office? Are their houses of worship suppressed?

    And by "Islamophobia" what they actually tend to mean is criticism of Islam, not actual discrimination against Musiims.
    Fortunately none is enshrined in law. But there are plenty of people out there who are bigoted and that needs to be combatted, including when that bigotry is target towards Muslims.

    That's a valid point and happens a lot. Doesn't mean real bigotry doesn't/isn't happening.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    What's your point? I said there's not one single interpretation of Shariah.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Bosnia, Kazakhstan and Turkey are a few examples of where it's legal.
    Muslims are not in majority in Bosnia (~45-49%); Kazakhstan has a sizeable Christian minority and Turkey is going backward on the subject.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    What's your point? I said there's not one single interpretation of Shariah.
    You said people are separate from their government, but on this point they completely agree with them.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    You said people are separate from their government, but on this point they completely agree with them.
    As in the actions of the government aren't the actions of the people...
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    3 countries in a sea of hate and all of those countries not legally recognising same eex couples.

    Which secular countries fine people for displays of public affection?
    Lol I said they're a few examples. There are many more that I cba to list. And when I said "in public" I meant intercourse which idk which secular countries won't fine.

    (Original post by Josb)
    Muslims are not in majority in Bosnia (~45-49%); Kazakhstan has a sizeable Christian minority and Turkey is going backward on the subject.
    Who are the majority? Kazakhstan and Turkey legalise homosexuality. I don't know what anything else has to do with it. Turkey are apparently looking to legalise gay marriage.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Lol I said they're a few examples. There are many more that I cba to list. .
    These countries are the only examples, and Bosnia is not even a majority Muslim country (it's a binational state, half-Christian, half-Muslim).
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    (Original post by RobML)
    And those actually persecuting homosexuals are a small minority.
    The ideology advocates persecuting homosexuals, so anyone who subscribes to that ideology condones the persecuting of homosexuals, even if they don't actually do any persecuting themselves.

    A racist who doesn't actually go out and beat up BME people is still a racist, and their views should still be challenged.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    And those actually persecuting homosexuals are a small minority.
    Just to add to what QE2 said above. I think the issue is a lot more complex and isn't just an issue involving those who actively engage in violence, but also those who sympathise with or actually help promote homophobia are also part of the issue.

    For example, someone on TSR posted a list of American Islamic scholars who had condemned the recent Orlando massacre. Here is the link:

    http://orlandostatement.com/

    It seems great to see so many Islamic scholars speaking out to condemn the attack... However, it didn't take me long to pick a random name out of the list of scholars and find someone preaching homophobia. Is such a list really meaningful when the list is signed by a person who condemns gay Muslims, saying that he will never accept gay Muslims and says that they are cursed? Is it not views like these that help to bring about a hatred and intolerance of homosexual people, and is it not that hatred that leads to such attacks happening? From about 8 minutes onward he goes on a long rant about homosexual Muslims:

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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Bosnia, Kazakhstan and Turkey are a few examples of where it's legal.

    I think what they mean by fines is when doing it in public which is I think would be the same case in secular countries too.
    I wouldn't really want to be a gay person in any of those countries, just because a Muslim country like Turkey has "secular" laws that doesn't mean the native population or nation as a whole is secular. In fact I remember reading an article a while back condoning Turkey for having the most LGBT attacks in Europe, much worse than say Russia that for some reason gets parroted as the worst nation in the world for gays by the BBC.

    Hopefully when people start abandoning Islam and religion in general in Turkey people will be more accepting and tolerant just like the west.
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    Thutmose-III

    Found the PERFECT addition to your initial post.
    No, it just brings the tone down. Frankly, you kind-of embarrass yourself by linking to something by Paul Joseph Watson, a conspiracy loon and bigtime homophobe himself.
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    How is wanting peace pathetic? Why are you advocating hate- do know how much of a horrible person that makes you
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    Funny thing is that if they went through Islamic countries they would probably be attacked or the police would step in and stop them from marching.
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    No, it just brings the tone down. Frankly, you kind-of embarrass yourself by linking to something by Paul Joseph Watson, a conspiracy loon and bigtime homophobe himself.
    I'll give you the conspiracy part. Sad to see him drifting off in Alex Jones direction.
    But homophobe? How's that exactly? But then again, there are actualy people who claim that Milo is a homophobe aswell, lmao.

    Im surprised that you dont seem to agee with the message, given your initial post in this thread. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    I'll give you the conspiracy part. Sad to see him drifting off in Alex Jones direction.
    Drifting off in Alex Jones' direction? He's been an employee of Alex Jones for the last 10 years.

    But homophobe? How's that exactly?
    By repeatedly saying stupid homophobic things. Essentially that gays are part of the (non-existent) New World Order's plan to undermine Western civilistaion and destroy the family.
 
 
 
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