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B993 – Politics of Jealousy (Rectification) Bill 2016 Watch

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    You can control the things in the exact way that I mentioned. Some people being born richer than others isn't an issue as long as there is social mobility. Money and wealth fluctuates, it can be gained and it can be lost, it doesn't mean that much at all when you get down to the bare bones of it.

    If everyone knew that no matter how hard they worked, how much they accumulated, that it would all be taken away and not passed onto their children, do you really think that they'd be as productive, that they'd work as hard?

    And your ad hominem didn't devalue mine.
    Yes but that is different...

    Yes I do... I mean almost every country is more productive then the UK dispite us having, I believe some of the most generous inheritance laws...

    What ad hominem?

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    Yes but that is different...

    Yes I do... I mean almost every country is more productive then the UK dispite us having, I believe some of the most generous inheritance laws...

    What ad hominem?

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    In what way is that any different?

    I'm not in favour of this bill, I think it's an example of the politics of greed. However, arguing for a 100% IT rate is what I'm arguing with you about.

    look back at your posts.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    He got lucky he was born to you. I know you hate the fact that most of your wealth is due to luck but that is simply the case.
    also it is selfish, its wanting to live on and pass your genes to your child...
    Something being due to luck does not justify the state using its coercive power to fix what is perceived as an injustice by some individual in society. In life some people are lucky but some people are unlucky, tough, that is life, you have provided no argument for there being a need to remove luck.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    In what way is that any different?

    I'm not in favour of this bill, I think it's an example of the politics of greed. However, arguing for a 100% IT rate is what I'm arguing with you about.

    look back at your posts.
    one involves prevention of injustice the other is applied after the injustice has been done.

    Except that I'm not saying 100%...
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    Something being due to luck does not justify the state using its coercive power to fix what is perceived as an injustice by some individual in society. In life some people are lucky but some people are unlucky, tough, that is life, you have provided no argument for there being a need to remove luck.
    no person should be disadvantaged due to circumstances beyond their control as much as possible.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    one involves prevention of injustice the other is applied after the injustice has been done.

    Except that I'm not saying 100%...

    no person should be disadvantaged due to circumstances beyond their control as much as possible.
    That is your opinion, you have not provided any justification for why the state should choose to target luck, the state could leave bad luck for philanthropy to deal with.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    That is your opinion, you have not provided any justification for why the state should choose to target luck, the state could leave bad luck for philanthropy to deal with.
    I take it that you believe that all people should work hard to get somewhere in life? That's why you are right wing because you believe that the state shouldn't be large and that people should work to do well. Such a principle is completely incompatible with the idea of monetary inheritance.

    As for why, The answer is hope.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I take it that you believe that all people should work hard to get somewhere in life? That's why you are right wing because you believe that the state shouldn't be large and that people should work to do well. Such a principle is completely incompatible with the idea of monetary inheritance.

    As for why, The answer is hope.
    No, I am of the stance individuals should work hard to better their own circumstances by choosing not to rely on handouts, if an individual has wealth at the start of life there is no need to work hard to better their circumstances; there is no contradiction. My political doctrine is simple, all people should work hard in life to better their circumstances, but if people start ahead of other people that is fine by me, circumstances can always be improved. It is vile to think the fortunate should be dragged down to be at the same level of the unlucky to bring equality because moves to do that are founded in jealousy, anger, and laziness.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    No, I am of the stance individuals should work hard to better their own circumstances by choosing not to rely on handouts, if an individual has wealth at the start of life there is no need to work hard to better their circumstances; there is no contradiction. My political doctrine is simple, all people should work hard in life to better their circumstances, but if people start ahead of other people that is fine by me, circumstances can always be improved. It is vile to think the fortunate should be dragged down to be at the same level of the unlucky to bring equality because moves to do that are founded in jealousy, anger, and laziness.
    But that individual is relying on hand outs from their parents... So it is a contradiction.

    It's not laziness, jealousy and anger... It's people seeing others which a massive head start and deciding that they can't win because they can't. And it isn't about dragging people down but raising them up.
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