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Owen Jones embarrasses himself on Sky News debate about Orlando Watch

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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I have admitted multiple times the attack was homophobic, it was also caused by radical Islam I believe it needs to be said that this was both.

    To ignore either part is a bad position to take as it doesn't fully describe what has happened.
    Oh sorry. I misinterpreted and thought you didn't acknowledge it was a homophobic attack. But yeah I agree.
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    This attacker does not represent Islam and the vast majority of Muslims.

    He represents a minority of psychopaths, who are currently misusing Islam as a justification for their actions.

    Psychopaths exist in every walk of life, he and others like him are no different to troubled men from other backgrounds?

    If ISIS represents the whole of Islam, do the KKK represent the whole of Christianity?
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    3:08-3:12

    Owen: "I'm being yelled at, this is incredible..."
    Julia: "You don't stop talking so we have to"


    That woman is a piece of work, that's for sure... Not gonna even comment on her little bit at the end.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    Maybe the part where he said you can't possibly understand if you're not gay or the snide little comments, and who storms off a TV debate because someone disagrees with you lmao
    Funnily enough if this was any other member of society defending their group (e.g a Jew after an anti-semitic attack or a black man after a racial hatred crime) who acted like a biatch people would be here criticising them, the gays get a free pass to whine about whatever they want and all logic flies out the window


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    (Original post by xylas)
    3:08-3:12

    Owen: "I'm being yelled at, this is incredible..."
    Julia: "You don't stop talking so we have to"


    That woman is a piece of work, that's for sure... Not gonna even comment on her little bit at the end.
    Dismissing other people's arguments because of their orientation will result in you being yelled at.
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    Good.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Dismissing other people's arguments because of their orientation will result in you being yelled at.
    Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.
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    (Original post by xylas)
    Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.
    Nor is it good to act like a spoilt brat on live television


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    (Original post by Zayn is Bae)
    Nor is it good to act like a spoilt brat on live television
    Call him what you will, I'm interested in the arguments not the way they were said.
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    (Original post by xylas)
    Don't see your point. That wasn't her reason, nor is it a good reason to yell at someone anyway.
    He had just said it dismissing what they were saying and when they called him out for it he got upset.

    If this had happened the other way around and someone had said "you don't understand this because you are gay" people would be outraged
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    (Original post by xylas)
    Call him what you will, I'm interested in the arguments not the way they were said.
    He was intolerant of her opinion when he felt she was intolerant of what had transpired, so at best he's a hypocrite, at worst he's an *******.


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    (Original post by joecphillips)

    If this had happened the other way around and someone had said "you don't understand this because you are gay" people would be outraged
    Agree with this. So two faced and hypocritical lol


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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    He had just said it dismissing what they were saying and when they called him out for it he got upset.

    If this had happened the other way around and someone had said "you don't understand this because you are gay" people would be outraged
    What's your point?

    (Original post by Zayn is Bae)
    He was intolerant of her opinion when he felt she was intolerant of what had transpired, so at best he's a hypocrite, at worst he's an *******.
    So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?
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    (Original post by xylas)
    What's your point?



    So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?
    If you dismiss someone's view in such a way you should be prepared for people to react like that.

    And the sjw's need to get consistent with their outrage.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    If you dismiss someone's view in such a way you should be prepared for people to react like that.

    And the sjw's need to get consistent with their outrage.
    Again, what's your point?
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    (Original post by epage)
    Okay, most members then.
    Where's the stats? Or are you basing this on your own assumptions?
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    (Original post by xylas)


    So you defend her opinion that it's okay to yell at someone in a discussion?
    I defend her right to yell at someone in a discussion, he didn't.


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    Whats wrong with her calling the attacker a lunatic ?
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    (Original post by wildleaves)
    Whats wrong with her calling the attacker a lunatic ?
    Calling them a lunatic places them in the same bracket as those who are mentally ill. By stating that the person is a lunatic, you are drawing similarities between the attacker and those who are being treated for mental health issues.

    It's an insult to those people who have mental disorders that are out of their control. To simply label someone with a term to fit society's view of them is wrong, and clearly demonstrates how incompetent she was.
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    (Original post by pmc:producer)
    Where's the stats? Or are you basing this on your own assumptions?
    I'm basing it on the assumption that all of the following support Owen Jones' and my view on Orlando:

    LGBT MP for the SNP

    LGBT journalist for the independent

    Nicola Sturgeon SNP MP and Leader

    LGBT Scottish MP

    Wilson Cruz actor who is gay and lost a family member in the shooting

    The Independent's view

    go to twitter and search 'orlando attack on LGBT' you'll find many LGBT voices and allies also supporting owen jones etc.

    do you want more?? because i could find more.
 
 
 
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