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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    No EU countries will exist soon it is becoming a super state
    Super state? the EU? No, if this goes on in this way, EU melts into thin air.
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    We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?

    This is the understatement of the century, but I haven't been here long, and already I see such idiocy. You are obviously from down south. Anyways, there's nothing we can do to stop Brexit, which I support. The decision's been made, and as long as the government follows through with it's promise, we should be out of the EU by roughly 2018. Sorry, my Eton mess-eating, top hat-wearing friend, but democracy prevails over aristocracy this time.
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    Nothing. France and German has made that impossible. They want the EU to themselves as their little empire and European fatherland. They are overwhelmed to see us go especially if it hurts us in doing so.

    On the British side, many or perhaps most of the leavers could be placated if their concerns could actually be heard and addressed without people going on epic rants about racism while are the same time being pretty damned racist against the citizens of this country themselves. That doesn't mean accepting outrageous and childish demands such as sending all immigrants home or absolute pure idiotic notions but it does mean actually thinking for once rather than acting defensively based on conditioning. That should be the state of affairs either way but if we're shut out of the discussion back home by moral elitists there's little chance to make any gains here or there.
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    Super state? the EU? No, if this goes on in this way, EU melts into thin air.
    To be honest, some variety of superstate needs to happen for the EU to survive. You can't have currency unrelated to fiscal policy, it just doesn't work.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    We live in a democratic state. The (slight) majority made their decision. Right or wrong, we are Leaving

    If you want to stop us Leaving, you are going against democracy itself
    But if enough people have since changed their minds such that the majority are now in favour of remain, then we have a different situation on our hands, don't we?
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    (Original post by zigglr)
    We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
    (Original post by Noodle0)
    No. Stop denying democracy. The vote was leave. Blame the 43% of 18-24 year old's that didn't vote and are now whining about it.
    (Original post by Armastan)
    Nope, nothing. You'll just have to suck it up, grow up and accept it. Majority rules and Leave won.
    Also, the "old people" didn't ruin the future of the young generation. The young generation did it to themselves as about 45% of 18-24 year olds didn't even vote for their own future and are now putting the blame on the elderly who mainly voted Leave.
    Remainers are being petty and throwing their toys out the pram because they didn't win.. This is a democracy. Respect the fact that 1.2 million more people wanted to leave rather than remain.
    New figures say 35% turned out to vote

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7105396.html
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    (Original post by Ollie231213)
    But if enough people have since changed their minds such that the majority are now in favour of remain, then we have a different situation on our hands, don't we?
    Then we are setting a precedent; each referendum will consist of two rounds; the first a protest vote, the second the actual vote

    Its rather silly
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Then we are setting a precedent; each referendum will consist of two rounds; the first a protest vote, the second the actual vote

    Its rather silly
    Then a 3rd vote in case there is a different protest vote
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    Jeremy Hunt has just been on BBC Breakfast saying a 2nd Referendum or General Election should be called *after* Article 50 negotiations are completed, to give a final confirmation before we exit permanently.

    Sounds like a very sensible idea (and one I predicted ).

    This isn't over...

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    If an election takes place and the party that gets elected made a promise that they wouldn't invoke article 50 and would instead opt for the UK to stay in the EU if they got elected, would that party being elected by a majority override the referendum?
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    If an election takes place and the party that gets elected made a promise that they wouldn't invoke article 50 and would instead opt for the UK to stay in the EU if they got elected, would that party being elected by a majority override the referendum?
    Yes. If it happens before Article 50 is initiated.



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    It would surely be the most fascinating general election of all time.

    Just thinking of all the tactical voting that would go on is enough to make the mind boggle


    People could even move to the marginals
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Then we are setting a precedent; each referendum will consist of two rounds; the first a protest vote, the second the actual vote

    Its rather silly
    What's silly is that we even had a referendum in the first place when the majority of voters are not capable of forming a well-reasoned, educated opinion.

    Sadly, not enough people made an effort to actually learn about the EU works and what the consequences of leaving would be.

    "We've had enough of experts", they said before.

    "Oh, maybe they were right after all", they said after.

    Ugh.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    If an election takes place and the party that gets elected made a promise that they wouldn't invoke article 50 and would instead opt for the UK to stay in the EU if they got elected, would that party being elected by a majority override the referendum?
    In theory yes, but in reality you would end up with a far-right UKIP government.
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    (Original post by ellie0497)
    Firstly, old people did experience the UK out of the EU but most of them who voted out are uncomfortable with immigration and multiculturalism/diversity.

    Secondly though most people did vote leave, most of those people regret their decisions.
    Utter rubbish. Please provide a source for 'most of those people regret their decisions". Oh, you don't have any. You have an Independent.co.uk article quoting 4 or 5 who say they regret it and have decided to run a story pretending that this is a universal phenomena. NEWS FLASH. A certain percentage of the population will immediately regret ANY uncertain decision they've just made, from buying Christmas presents to choices of investment to destinations for holidays to, lo, the Brexit. This is normal human psychology and the fact a story has been made of it is just demonstrates the extent of the propaganda you are inundated with.
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    (Original post by Gora The Xplorer)
    In theory yes, but in reality you would end up with a far-right UKIP government.
    UKIP is NOT far right. You don't even know what far right means. The Nazis were far right. Race supremacists are far right. Theocracies are far right. UKIP is moderate and you've just swallowed a load of brainwashing.
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    Whats undemocratic about calling a second referendum? I just see it as a massive irony because its clear that more people would turn up to vote and people would have changed their minds hence we get a better idea of the real public opinion

    Lets face it, people like Cameron are just scared of right wing brexit lunatics jumping at his throat saying "You democracy hater how dare you!" and so he just says there shouldnt be a second referendum

    Its pretty hypocritical because Farage said he would call a second one if remain one.

    Oh wait, brexiters are scared people will see sense and vote remain...
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    (Original post by drogon)
    Whats undemocratic about calling a second referendum? I just see it as a massive irony because its clear that more people would turn up to vote and people would have changed their minds hence we get a better idea of the real public opinion

    Lets face it, people like Cameron are just scared of right wing brexit lunatics jumping at his throat saying "You democracy hater how dare you!" and so he just says there shouldnt be a second referendum

    Its pretty hypocritical because Farage said he would call a second one if remain one.

    Oh wait, brexiters are scared people will see sense and vote remain...
    You had your chance, you lost. If there were another referendum and you somehow won by 52%, what then? You expect people to accept it when you win and not when you've lost? Bull, there will be riots in the streets for a third referendum and so on and on. Accept the result. Its a GOOD RESULT. You have NO ARGUMENT for staying under the EU bureaucracy.
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    (Original post by microsoft)
    You had your chance, you lost. If there were another referendum and you somehow won by 52%, what then? You expect people to accept it when you win and not when you've lost? Bull, there will be riots in the streets for a third referendum and so on and on. Accept the result. Its a GOOD RESULT. You have NO ARGUMENT for staying under the EU bureaucracy.
    Lol im not even going to bother with the "its a good result" bit. "EU bureaucracy" guess we should leave the UK too then eh?

    Under the basis of a low turnout and the fact that so many were unaware, alongside the deceitful leave campaign, i think theyre all valid reasons for another referendum. No, there wont be another third referendum since it would become the populist view (already is)

    Ironically you've shot yourself in the foot, you havent even considered the possibility that leave could win which makes me believe that even you can see that the country is with the remain side making you the undemocratic one
 
 
 
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