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    (Original post by KatieBlogger)
    Don't you find it ridiculous that less than 75% of the population voted and of them only 51% voted leave? Hardly a damning majority. Hardly a UK victory. Hardly "the majority". Hardly the whole of the UK's opinion!



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    It is still a majority. The turnout was approx just over 70% so not everyone voted in the UK and not everyone is entitled to vote. Over a million more people supported leave.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Why is it only you have the right to express yourselves?
    It isn't only us. We're not telling you to shut up.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    We don't! We're not telling you to shut up.
    And you don't have to listen - clearly you're not.

    But just as you're entitled to carry on with your conspiracies and with railing against democracy, we're entitled to tell you to pack it in.

    Clearly, both sides can continue to ignore each other.

    But it's a bit rich to claim freedom of expression in order to shut down someone else's freedom of expression...
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    People are not going to stop talking about this for a while. The referendum results were only released two days ago ffs, and people expect us not to mourn? This is once in a generation vote and it was decided by many based on lies and bigotry; how do you expect us not to be upset by this? When you have 9/10 economists telling you we're worse off outside the EU and Gove telling us people are "tired of listening to experts", you know you live in an age where idiocy prevails over intellectualism. I'm sure the average voter knows more than the OECD and Oxford economics, right?
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    Read everything on this website imo

    www.eutruth.org.uk

    which includes this:

    The EU is an unelected 3 tier dictatorship on the soviet model, with a sham parliament in Brussels. In time, that's slavery for all of us.

    The EU has bribed 28 Prime Ministers with £10 million per treaty to sign away their nations and their freedom. Ordinary Ministers get less. Its much cheaper than building weapons and going to war, as Adolf Hitler did. That is why all the establishment is wholly in favour of the EU.

    Edward Heath’s bribe was money laundered to him as a Nobel Peace Prize. Except he hadn’t created any peace. Formerly penniless, he bought a £3 million house in Salisbury, and his yacht, Morning Cloud, with it.

    The EU is the end of the once democratic Great Britain, which was abolished by the EU’s Lisbon Treaty on the First January 2009.

    The EU’s massive immigration means the English become a minority in their own nation in 9 years, according to the Office of National Statistics. Not long afterwards, we will be ruled by the immigrant majority.

    The EU’s ethnic cleansing of the English has been completely successful. They believe in divide and conquer.

    The EU’s immigration laws mean we can’t stop terrorists coming in to Britain, or deport them.

    The EU is an imperialist nation. It started with 6 nations. Now, by bribing leaders, it has 28. It took ten former allied nations from Russia. Ten wasn’t enough; It fermented war to get Ukraine. President Putin finally intervened to stop that one.

    The EU is a military union. The Lisbon Treaty orders us to hand over our Army, Navy, Airforce and nuclear weapons to the EU.

    The EU has been misrepresenting the peaceful President Putin, making him out to be an enemy, the usual media precursor to war. This is dangerous, as Russia supplies the EU with much of its energy; but the EU is determined to provoke him. As a member, we can’t stop them.

    David Cameron proved with his complete “renegotiation” failure that we have no influence inside the EU.

    The EU is just 7% of the world, and its doing badly. We need to be part of the 93% outside the EU.

    The Euro is a disastrous currency, and has wrecked nations from Greece to France. EU borrowing is so massive the Euro is permanently on the edge of collapse.

    We entered the EU as the world's 3rd largest economy. The EU has adversely affected our trade, and we are now the 9th largest economy in the world. We now lose £70 billion a year trading with the EU.

    The 120,000 EU regulations have already closed scores of thousands of British companies. When fully enforced, they will destroy British trade and drive us into poverty. We spend £100 billion a year enforcing EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

    The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 pointless quangos, whose job is to bribe board members with £700,000 salaries to support the EU. That’s more bribery. £100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution of £16 billion look irrelevant.

    The EU is utterly corrupt. It cannot account for 95% of its expenditure. That’s not 5%, its ninety five % lost. Bribery is massive.

    Most of Britain’s laws are now EU laws. EU Corpus Juris, which replaced Common Law in 1992, puts government above the law. The police have shot 50 innocent people dead since 1992, killed 1,500 in custody, and they can’t be prosecuted.

    The EU Arrest Warrant allows you to be dragged away to another EU country and languish in their prisons, with no judge, no jury and no justice.

    The EU’s Compliance and Restraint Order systems allow the government to close your bank account and keep your money, on the whim of a government official, with no judge, no jury and no justice. Thousands of English people have lost everything, and the government makes billions out of it. Its the French “J’accuse” system. Try not to be noticed by government.

    UK Government corruption has exploded in the 43 years we’ve been inside the EU.

    The EU has controlled the Conservative and Labour parties for 20 years. Much of our democracy has already gone.

    The most successful nations in Europe aren’t in the EU. Switzerland, with 8 million population, and Norway with 5 million, are far more wealthy people than any EU nation, and don’t have the Euro or its problems.


    There are 180 independent nations with smaller economies than ours. We will easily prosper outside.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    In my experience, when you right-wingers are found to have some unpopular opinion or another, you love to stand on your free speech and declare that any criticism of your opinion is an infringement on your rights. But now, when you've discovered that your political adversaries may have unpopular opinions, you seem to have no qualms about telling us to






    So which is it? Do we have the right to express ourselves, or don't we?
    Expressing yourself is fine. Attempting to overturn democracy is not.

    Also, not everyone who voted Leave is right wing. Massive amounts of votes came from disillusioned Labour members.
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    People are not going to stop talking about this for a while. The referendum results were only released two days ago ffs, and people expect us not to mourn? This is once in a generation vote and it was decided by many based on lies and bigotry; how do you expect us not to be upset by this? When you have 9/10 economists telling you we're worse off outside the EU and Gove telling us people are "tired of listening to experts", you know you live in an age where idiocy prevails over intellectualism. I'm sure the average voter knows more than the OECD and Oxford economics, right?
    'b-b-but muh bigotry'

    This vote wasn't just about the economy.
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    People are not going to stop talking about this for a while. The referendum results were only released two days ago ffs, and people expect us not to mourn?
    By all means mourn.

    But don't erroneously pretend that that mourning means you have a right to subvert democracy, to talk up conspiracy theories or suggest the vote should be taken away from certain areas of the community.

    You have a right to complain, of course.

    But that doesn't translate into anything. It doesn't mean you have a right to change the decision. The decision has been made.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    'b-b-but muh bigotry'

    This vote wasn't just about the economy.
    The economy is definitely the most important issue.

    It was about immigration; people are frustrated with the state of public services, and they think that all the Eastern European "taking their jobs."
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    The economy is definitely the most important issue.

    It was about immigration; people are frustrated with the state of public services, and they think that all the Eastern European "taking their jobs."
    To you, maybe. To others there were other factors, rightly or wrongly.

    You can't just project your opinion onto people.
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    shut up and accept it *****. long live the queen
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    The economy is definitely the most important issue.

    It was about immigration; people are frustrated with the state of public services, and they think that all the Eastern European "taking their jobs."
    Then you dont see why so many voted leave.

    Sovereignty, democracy and immigration. Usually in that order.

    Mass immigration has failed, and 400,000 a year is unprecedented in our history.
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    I agree with the title of this thread, it's perfectly fine to be disheartened or even devastated by the outcome of this referendum particularly when it was a very, very slim majority, and when the debate just descended into aggressive mud slinging between politicians, social classes and age groups. I'm not okay with the massively uncertain future that the UK is in now particularly as a young professional who will have to live with the consequences (which makes it very difficult to shut up and accept it).
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    In my experience, when you right-wingers are found to have some unpopular opinion or another, you love to stand on your free speech and declare that any criticism of your opinion is an infringement on your rights. But now, when you've discovered that your political adversaries may have unpopular opinions, you seem to have no qualms about telling us to






    So which is it? Do we have the right to express ourselves, or don't we?

    If you believe in democracy you don't have the right to call for a rerun. 17 million people backed brexit
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    By all means mourn.But don't erroneously pretend that that mourning means you have a right to subvert democracy, to talk up conspiracy theories or suggest the vote should be taken away from certain areas of the community.You have a right to complain, of course.But that doesn't translate into anything. It doesn't mean you have a right to change the decision. The decision has been made.
    I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist nor am I suggesting the vote should be taken away from certain communities, and neither did I suggest the vote should be changed. I'm just upset the older voters decided to leave when the majority of the younger population wanted to stay, and I'm also angry that many people didn't have a valid reason the leave other than immigration.

    (Original post by Drewski)
    To you, maybe. To others there were other factors, rightly or wrongly.

    You can't just project your opinion onto people.
    There are many people that had legitimate reasons to leave, but I also know many people were not informed and blame immigration for everything, when (imo) there are so many benefits to staying in the EU which outweigh the immigration argument.

    The political climate across the west is horrific with this racist, anti-immigrant rhetoric. Many (but not all) people are becoming more racist and frustrated with immigrants, and I've witnessed this horrible racism. To say a large portion of society have not become disenfranchised with mainstream politic and blame their frustrations on immigrants (usually in working class areas), is naive. That portion of the electorate voted leave, and that is what I'm most angry about.
    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    Then you dont see why so many voted leave.Sovereignty, democracy and immigration. Usually in that order.Mass immigration has failed, and 400,000 a year is unprecedented in our history.
    For many sovereignty was the most important issue, but for others it was immigration. Mass immigration really isn't that much of a problem; they're not the reason the public services are in a dire state, and we need them to make up for the aging population.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    People have as much right to question a majority decision as the majority have to make a stupid decision. Democracy is just about reading the Daily Mail one morning and then going out and casting your vote and that's that. Maybe that's all you can be arsed with, but if people want to take an active role in politics, that should be encouraged.

    People should be held accountable for their decisions. If you vote for something and everything goes tits up, you shouldn't just get to forget about it while everyone else suffers the consequences. We're completely entitled to make a big fuss about everything that's gone wrong as a result of the leave voters, we're not going to pretend it's not happening.

    This referendum was in no way democratic. If this had been a general election, the masterminds behind Vote Leave would be in prison for the blatant corruption in this campaign. People made their votes based on things that just weren't true - "we'll be £350m/week better off", "Turkey is joining and sending all their immigrants", and so on. Millions of pounds were spend on advertising LIES to scare people into voting.

    Boris Johnson and Michael Gove won people over with this rhetoric, turning the EU into this monster representing the elites. Lots of people voted "against the establishment", and are now realising they've been played by the elites the whole time.

    Something being "democratic" doesn't mean that it's fair or right. Stop telling people how to feel and behave.
    We wouldn't have to tell people to shut up and accept it if they would just shut up and accept it...
 
 
 
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