who else is disgusted by young peoples attitude to the referendum? watch

Personally, you shouldn't judge a whole ranking of people by a majorities beliefs. That's completely and utterly agist. However, on another hand, I do see your point. Main reasons seem to consist of "So many jobs will be lost.." but honestly, no one has jobs now. Recently, as told in the news, 8000 people signed up with a job application for Costa, who was offering 8-12 job openings.

Yeah this generation is a bunch of pc sjws who are so emotionally immature, they might as well have no education. Talk about echoing buzzwords and catchy phrases to try guilt trip people into agreeing with them politically.

(Original post by MrMackyTv)
I'm 15, and I have to agree with this.

I'm sick and tired of my generation. I have given up. If I say "we should be able to control my borders" I get called racist left, right and centre. Anything that I say that relates to controlling immigration I get called a xenophobe or a racist. I am absolutely ashamed by the ignorance of my generation. People of my age just think that these people wanting to control immigration hate socialists and are at the far-right of the political spectrum. How are we going to even make good choices in our lives if we are reliant on lying politicians and brainwashed lefties telling young people that it is racist or xenophobic for a country to want to control it's borders? Can you just please stop and use your brain to think for a second and be independent and research into both sides of the debate like I did?

I have no problem generally with Remain voters, I only have a problem with those that start accusing all the Leave voters of being racist or xenophobic.

Democracy is democracy, people have decided to leave, if you didn't want us to leave the EU then more of you guys should have voted but you will live with the consequences now and hopefully you will learn from that. That's your own fault, tough, better deal with it.

The problem is, that the Leave Campaign lacked prominent figures, the face of the BREXIT is basically Nigel Farage, so yeah, everyone supported Leave, supported the xenophobes, is sadly, nothing, which can be really argued about. Then again, concerning immigration, as the UK has never been part of Schengen anyway, legislation not be able to claim benefits having already been on his way and the fact, that every country in the EU is allowed to deny EU citizens entry, in case they e.g. are terrorists or e.g. did something else not allowed in the country, makes the claim: "Control Immigration, because ..." pretty fast a very xenophobic argument, concerning the false claims of EU immigration, makes it in parts a very racist decision. One should also allways be able to consider, who one is following.

And - with all respect - the description of yours concerning most others as "brainwashed lefties" sounds quite right. Hence if you are, who you claim, you should be attentive not to fall in the trap to overtake far right arguments, because otherwise you can't really complain, people reacting negatively towards you.

The one thing with democrazy is, that the outcome, was very narrow (that is why some democrazies demand e.g. 2/3 of the voters to decice a such fuindamental change and/or have mechanisms, that a minority can't be just overruled) and that with whole Scotland voting remain, the same argument of "just accept it" can be and should be used for "Scotland has to become independant, because they have voted remain". The other thing with democrazy is, that you aren't bound to one decision. Everyone is allowed to "fight" for his cause, as long as he wants. (Of course in case it is against human rights, mose states have implemented security mechanisms.)

(Original post by MrMackyTv)
That's your own fault, tough, better deal with it.

How's it my fault that more people didn't bother to vote?

I doubt you'll be acting this superior to the rest of your generation in a few years when you can really see the consequences of what's been voted for.

(Original post by Lkathryn08)
People are annoyed and upset and they have every right to be. The majority of 18-25 year olds did not vote for this knowing the likely consequences it will have on our future! It will have a big impact on our lives and we will probably suffer the most out of everyone as these changes will occur when we are trying to get jobs, when we are trying to buy a house etc. The people who are upset and expressing this aren't the people who didn't vote because they were hung over (loving the stereotype)! We care about our future and when our country is heading in a different direction which will have a negative impact on our future, we have a right to express our displeasure.

The majority of 18-25 year olds didn't even vote. If they cared so much they would've showed up.

It's unsurprising. Sore losers who don't understand how democracy works.

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
It's unsurprising. Sore losers who don't understand how democracy works.

You older folk voted and you're not even alive for that many years. We're the ones who have to live while the economy is ruined.

(Original post by Kvothe the arcane)
You older folk voted and you're not even alive for that many years. We're the ones who have to live while the economy is ruined.

I've got a few more years yet. You damn kids with your hip hop music. I fought at Waterloo you know.

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
I fought at Waterloo you know.

I thought I recognised your face.

(Original post by Good bloke)
I thought I recognised your face.

Did you fight on the side of Napoleon?

(Original post by Razamataz666)
after seeing all the calls for a new referendum and the outcry against the DEMOCRATICALLY decided election, especially, if not exclusively, from vocal young people i cant help but be disgusted at my generations lack of common sense and decency.

Saying that because we will deal with consequences longest only we should vote makes me sick. Saying that those who fought for the freedom to have this decision 70 years ago shouldn't have the RIGHT to VOTE is disgusted and highlights two things about our generation. We are ungrateful and cant take a hit. so anyone who actually believes in this nonsense of a statement i ask you one question, should you have the right to deny democracy to those who fought for that very thing? and if so why?

The petition is simply making a point. The 'majority' who voted Brexit is marginally over half. Just under half of the nation are extremely unhappy with the verdict. This isn't a democratic election easily changed every few years, this is an irreversible change that will have an extreme impact not only on the UK but for Europe. Since so many of the Brexit campaign promises have been exposed to be unrealistic at best and lies at worst, so quickly after the referendum, the validity of the verdict needs to be brought into question. Is it really democracy when the decision made has been based on a foundation of ignorance and lies? Democracy is so complex, it's not a simple case of voting. Education and understanding plays a part, because otherwise people are just used as pawns by the powerful.

(Original post by Nathanielle)
The problem is, that the Leave Campaign lacked prominent figures, the face of the BREXIT is basically Nigel Farage, so yeah, everyone supported Leave, supported the xenophobes, is sadly, nothing, which can be really argued about.

Okay. We have a problem here.

Firstly, what are these "prominent figures" the Leave campaign was lacking? I think everyone can agree here that both campaigns absolutely failed to agree on statistics, not even the government has statistics they know of. 184,000 eu immigration per year? Guess what? That's an estimation and not a set figure. But that figure was proven wrong because of the number of people who applied for National Insurance, it was wayyyyy higher than the estimated "prominent" figure from the government and Remain campaign. We have been lied to from our own government, our government don't even know the numbers coming in and are simply estimating, in what way does this tell you that there is immigration control?

Nigel Farage isn't racist or xenophobic. Yes the guy is an idiot, he makes claims and falls back on them and sometimes blatantly lies, but, he is not racist. I'm pretty sure a famous figure, Ed Miliband said that Nigel Farage isn't racist, this is speaking from a party on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum to Nigel Farage.

There are a lot of talks going on that actually most of the Leave voters were protest voters, they didn't necessarily support the "xenophobes" but they did it as a rebellion against Westminster for being "out of touch" from places outside of London in England and in Wales.

Then again, concerning immigration, as the UK has never been part of Schengen anyway, legislation not be able to claim benefits having already been on his way and the fact, that every country in the EU is allowed to deny EU citizens entry, in case they e.g. are terrorists or e.g. did something else not allowed in the country, makes the claim: "Control Immigration, because ..." pretty fast a very xenophobic argument, concerning the false claims of EU immigration, makes it in parts a very racist decision. One should also allways be able to consider, who one is following.

Immigration control is a right to a country, it is not racist or xenophobic of a country wanting to control their own borders, as they have every right to do that. What would be racist would be discriminating on the races allowed into this country and what would be xenophobic is having an immigration control policy where you don't want any foreigners at all and put immigration to its lowest.

UK is not apart of the Schengen free movement zone but it is in the free migration zone, where EU citizens can freely migrate here without any sort of control or discriminating point system. What this means is we can't focus on areas of deficit in jobs, we can't focus on our high-skill deficit, we get a lot of labour from the EU but mostly low-skilled jobs. They do contribute a lot to the economy but we also need high-skilled people more and that should be priority.

I have to disagree with your last point. EU citizens not being able to claim benefits as soon as they come to the UK, is not an immigration control policy. Despite it being a very good policy, it doesn't control immigration at all, it is just a policy meant for post-migration, when they reach here and what happens and the laws that follow after people migrate here, people cannot distinguish this.

And - with all respect - the description of yours concerning most others as "brainwashed lefties" sounds quite right. Hence if you are, who you claim, you should be attentive not to fall in the trap to overtake far right arguments, because otherwise you can't really complain, people reacting negatively towards you.

I do not take any far-right arguments. I don't support UKIP (even though UKIP is not a far-right party), I see myself more centre-ground or centre-right, I express quite a lot of socialist views. But because of what I supported in this referendum I have already had a lot of people reacting negatively towards me, not because I have "far-right arguments" (which I don't) but because simply, I wanted to Leave the EU. I get called a racist, xenophobe, a traitor to my ethnicity, idiot, stupid, ignorant. It doesn't stop there, this is because I wanted to vote Leave. The problem with people my age is they don't bother listening to what you have to say after you have claimed your views, they immediately start accusing you of these things, which is quite disconcerting as this is ignorance in action.

The one thing with democrazy is, that the outcome, was very narrow (that is why some democrazies demand e.g. 2/3 of the voters to decice a such fuindamental change and/or have mechanisms, that a minority can't be just overruled) and that with whole Scotland voting remain, the same argument of "just accept it" can be and should be used for "Scotland has to become independant, because they have voted remain". The other thing with democrazy is, that you aren't bound to one decision. Everyone is allowed to "fight" for his cause, as long as he wants. (Of course in case it is against human rights, mose states have implemented security mechanisms.)

This referendum was won by a majority. Only two options, Leave or Remain, there had to be a majority as the outcome of this referendum. I don't know what sort of democracy is that but from what I know is that it had to be a majority, which it was (52%).

The good thing about democracy is that just because the majority vote happens doesn't mean people who voted the opposite can't have a say. Scotland will get their independence referendum as they have a very strong case to do so, even if we remained in the EU it was still imminent Scotland was pushing towards nationalism as SNP are not too far away from a majority.

(Original post by JordanL_)
How's it my fault that more people didn't bother to vote?

I doubt you'll be acting this superior to the rest of your generation in a few years when you can really see the consequences of what's been voted for.

I was talking to the wider younger generation like everyone was doing when responding to this thread and not specifically to you or else I would have tagged you.

If your generation wanted to sway the result then they should have voted more.

Sorry, votes on Facebook are not counted.

(Original post by MrMackyTv)
I was talking to the wider younger generation like everyone was doing when responding to this thread and not specifically to you or else I would have tagged you.

If your generation wanted to sway the result then they should have voted more.

Sorry, votes on Facebook are not counted.

The people complaining aren't the ones that didn't vote.

Nobody wants us to vote. We should be able to vote online, like some countries already can, because that would increase young voter turnout. That's exactly why we can't do it.

(Original post by JordanL_)
The people complaining aren't the ones that didn't vote.

Nobody wants us to vote. We should be able to vote online, like some countries already can, because that would increase young voter turnout. That's exactly why we can't do it.

Your infering that the people didn't vote didn't complain at all. Not even one?
This is why people are sick and tired of talking to you, because of stupid assumptions like this, my hypothesis was correct about young people.

WHAT DO YOU BLOODY MEAN NOBODY WANTS YOU TO VOTE???!!! All politicians wanted you to vote, especially the Remain side because they knew they would win a lot of votes from young people. It doesn't matter if it's online or not, it doesn't take ages to walk to the nearest polling station and cross a box and go home or do whatever you want. Just saying it should be put online you are already giving the impression that young people are lazy (well they are). They should have went out and voted and stop bloody moaning about the result if you didn't vote because maybe if you voted then you could have swayed the outcome of the referendum.

I've noticed how you respond to people and how extremely poor your reasoning is. The majority of the UK voted to Leave so we are leaving.

As I aforementioned, unfortunately, votes are not counted on Facebook. If you want your vote to be counted, get off your lazy arse and go to the nearest polling station and vote.

I am shocked and disgusted, their behavior shows that we need a complete review of our education system which is obviously teaching ideology rather than facts.

(Original post by MrMackyTv)
Your infering that the people didn't vote didn't complain at all. Not even one?
This is why people are sick and tired of talking to you, because of stupid assumptions like this, my hypothesis was correct about young people.

What are you actually on about? Sorry to prove your "hypothesis". Jesus christ.

WHAT DO YOU BLOODY MEAN NOBODY WANTS YOU TO VOTE???!!! All politicians wanted you to vote, especially the Remain side because they knew they would win a lot of votes from young people. It doesn't matter if it's online or not, it doesn't take ages to walk to the nearest polling station and cross a box and go home or do whatever you want. Just saying it should be put online you are already giving the impression that young people are lazy (well they are). They should have went out and voted and stop bloody moaning about the result if you didn't vote because maybe if you voted then you could have swayed the outcome of the referendum.

Or maybe young people are busy? I had an exam on referendum day, lots of people probably had 2 exams on referendum day, I had exams the days before and the days after. Doesn't change the fact that more young people would vote if they could vote online, and that's why we can't - we have a Conservative government, and bigger turnout of young voters is bad for them.

I've noticed how you respond to people and how extremely poor your reasoning is. The majority of the UK voted to Leave so we are leaving.

What does this even have to do with anything?

As I aforementioned, unfortunately, votes are not counted on Facebook. If you want your vote to be counted, get off your lazy arse and go to the nearest polling station and vote.

You really are full of yourself, aren't you? Maybe your views will change once you've actually finished your GCSEs and have to live in the real world.

(Original post by SophiaNeuning)
The petition is simply making a point. The 'majority' who voted Brexit is marginally over half. Just under half of the nation are extremely unhappy with the verdict. This isn't a democratic election easily changed every few years, this is an irreversible change that will have an extreme impact not only on the UK but for Europe. Since so many of the Brexit campaign promises have been exposed to be unrealistic at best and lies at worst, so quickly after the referendum, the validity of the verdict needs to be brought into question. Is it really democracy when the decision made has been based on a foundation of ignorance and lies? Democracy is so complex, it's not a simple case of voting. Education and understanding plays a part, because otherwise people are just used as pawns by the powerful.

You don't even know why you are unhappy. I'll take a stab in the dark - you've been brainwashed with an extremist liberal education and you think there would be nothing better than all humanity becoming one grey mass (you are infact racist), all cultures and individualism demolished and replaced by one single universal culture and race of people which is ruled by one global government. Am i right? Even if you don't, today, realise that this is what you want. This is what you have been brainwashed to support. It is YOU who is being used as pawns by the powerful.

You claim the Brexit was won through lies, which is in itself a lie. People know the implications of Brexit. No EU legislation governing us. Control of our borders. You neglect to mention the plethora of the doomsday, fearmongering lies from the remain side citing immediate threat of ww3 and destruction of the pound. What has happened? The pound has dropped from being worth 1.45 dollars to around 1.35. Oh boy, i guess Jesus must be coming because this is the apocalypse.

(Original post by Alexion)
I'm disgusted by u tbh

Lmao mature.

(Original post by JordanL_)
What are you actually on about? Sorry to prove your "hypothesis". Jesus christ.

I'm on about how ignorant young people can be.

Or maybe young people are busy? I had an exam on referendum day, lots of people probably had 2 exams on referendum day, I had exams the days before and the days after. Doesn't change the fact that more young people would vote if they could vote online, and that's why we can't - we have a Conservative government, and bigger turnout of young voters is bad for them.

So young people have time to turn on a computer or phone, click onto google and type in the government site, find the right page for the referendum and vote? Don't forget you could also do postal vote as well? That doesn't take long. Cross a box, put it in the envelope and drop it in a post box if you see one on the way to school/college/uni or anywhere you are walking around, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Wanting to have it online is just lazy because it doesn't take long to even do a postal vote, just a few seconds. Hardly interrupting any important revision for exams (and doing it online is probably more distracting as the internet can take you off task (but this is not a study help forum...)). You were also given more than enough time to vote.

What does this even have to do with anything?

It is a relevant comment. You are butthurt that the result didn't turn out the way you wanted to, people would do the same if it was Leave but it's just you're particularly irritating to some people, even from your side, because you continue to moan about it and not try to look at it on the positive side. Very persistent.

You really are full of yourself, aren't you? Maybe your views will change once you've actually finished your GCSEs and have to live in the real world.

Yes actually I am full of myself. At least I'm not a self-centred, narrow-minded, petty individual.

Me not finishing my GCSEs yet and not living the "real world" doesn't mean that I can't enunciate my views on something that will affect me in the future.

(Original post by 0to100)
Lmao mature.

Immature is ma middle name

(well, right behind 'kawaii')