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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    "remainers" make me laugh they lobby for liberty and freedom but then they're sour about a wholly fair, wholly democratic outcome of a referendum. Hope it doesn't tarnish/overshadow the election of a new PM.
    You must be either joking or an idiot if you think this referendum was "wholly fair" - the people were lied to constantly. The leave campaign was based on false promises. How is that wholly fair?
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    And we will have to keep them open to EU countries if we want their waters to remain open to us. Plus several EU countries have historical fishing rights in UK waters, so we're still going to have to haggle over access rights every year with EU countries. The CFP gave us the second biggest catch quota in the EU and free access to the largest EEZ in the world. Are you sure we'll get a better deal?
    Which historical rights are those, and why would we need access to EU waters when we have the full run of UK waters?
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    And we will have to keep them open to EU countries if we want their waters to remain open to us. Plus several EU countries have historical fishing rights in UK waters, so we're still going to have to haggle over access rights every year with EU countries. The CFP gave us the second biggest catch quota in the EU and free access to the largest EEZ in the world. Are you sure we'll get a better deal?
    well we won't have to bother with quotas if you look at Iceland they have a very successful fishing industry
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    well we won't have to bother with quotas if you look at Iceland they have a very successful fishing industry
    You think Iceland don't have quotas? Every successful fishing industry has quotas, and the one we have under the CFP is already above scientifically advisable levels. Want to raise or scrap quotas? Look at what happened to Canada in the early 90s. The destruction the North-West Atlantic ecosystem and tens of thousands of fishermen unemployed overnight.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    You think Iceland don't have quotas? Every successful fishing industry has quotas, and the one we have under the CFP is already above scientifically advisable levels. Want to raise or scrap quotas? Look at what happened to Canada in the early 90s. The destruction the North-West Atlantic ecosystem and tens of thousands of fishermen unemployed overnight.
    no but Iceland don't have situations where they have to throw dead fish back into the water and other nonsense they also have complete control over their own fishing waters and are not told by the eu where they can and cannot fish
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    I'm afraid you're going to have to grow up.
    Ha, how many perma bans have you had now? Get a life MostUncivililized.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Which historical rights are those, and why would we need access to EU waters when we have the full run of UK waters?
    Because there are no fish?
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    no but Iceland don't have situations where they have to throw dead fish back into the water and other nonsense they also have complete control over their own fishing waters and are not told by the eu where they can and cannot fish
    Discards are banned already, and of course Iceland are told where they can or cannot fish. They don't have free reign over the oceans, dude.
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    (Original post by Tabstercat)
    You must be either joking or an idiot if you think this referendum was "wholly fair" - the people were lied to constantly. The leave campaign was based on false promises. How is that wholly fair?
    I'm no idiot. There was propaganda on both sides. The vote itself was based on a majority and the majority won and that majority was "Leave". Whether or not people were lied to, as that happens in most if not all political campaigns.
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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    I'm no idiot. There was propaganda on both sides. The vote itself was based on a majority and the majority won and that majority was "Leave". Whether or not people were lied to, as that happens in most if not all political campaigns.
    Not the same. If a political party lies in their election manifesto they will be held accountable by the public - their party's support will be destroyed and they won't be elected again. In this referendum, the public have been sold a bunch of lies and now we have taken an irreversible decision based on false promises and mistruths! No one will be held accountable for the ridiculous claims leave made in their campaign.
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    (Original post by Tabstercat)
    Not the same. If a political party lies in their election manifesto they will be held accountable by the public - their party's support will be destroyed and they won't be elected again. In this referendum, the public have been sold a bunch of lies and now we have taken an irreversible decision based on false promises and mistruths! No one will be held accountable for the ridiculous claims leave made in their campaign.
    Again, you can't shout lies on one side and ignore the other.
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    (Original post by Tabstercat)
    You must be either joking or an idiot if you think this referendum was "wholly fair" - the people were lied to constantly. The leave campaign was based on false promises. How is that wholly fair?
    So did the remain campaign so they are even


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    (Original post by splashywill)
    Yeah we're going to leave. I'm optimistic that it'll open up a lot off possibilities for us in the future, such as potential free travel and work in countries such as canada or australia.
    We can already travel freely there but what makes you think Canada, Australia will set up a freedom to work deal with us? These countries have points based systems with controlled immigration which is what people argued for here, so why would they stop it for us?

    Do you think the Aussies and Canadians want the diversity and cultural enrichment of granting 65 million people the access to their labour market? Dream on.
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    Im a bit pissed off and worried that some of our politicians want us to stay in the EU single market.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    We can already travel freely there but what makes you think Canada, Australia will set up a freedom to work deal with us? These countries have points based systems with controlled immigration which is what people argued for here, so why would they stop it for us?

    Do you think the Aussies and Canadians want the diversity and cultural enrichment of granting 65 million people the access to their labour market? Dream on.
    Re-engaging with the commonwealth perhaps? Countries want to make these kinds of relations with us because we are a valuable ally. Look, I'm a remain voter who wasn't happy about the result but what is done cannot be un done. We're now just going to have to make the best out of what we're left with.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Im a bit pissed off and worried that some of our politicians want us to stay in the EU single market.
    Our biggest trade partners are based within it, why would you of thought maintaining access to it would not be a key goal of the UK?
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    (Original post by paul514)
    So did the remain campaign so they are even
    Which barefaced lies did the remain campaign tell?

    And perhaps plaster onto their bus
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    We will leave. I expect article 50 to be invoked end of this year or beginning of next year.

    Im positive of what can be achieved through negotiations. I don't understand why people think the Europeans would be so keen to impose free movement on us. What do they gain from that?
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    Yes we will, I think it will be at the latter part of the 2 years time span we have seeing as David Cameron didn't even create a ****ing leave plan
    You are right, Cameron should have done a Leave plan and Farage should have done a Remain plan.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    This is nonsense. We have a negative trade balance with the EU, and a positive one with non-EU countries. Any punitive tariffs that the EU countries erect against us would be worse for them, and we are already proving we can trade successfully with the rest of the world, even without trade deals. What's to fear?
    The EU holds all the cards when it comes to letting Britain trade in services to the EU. The EU can seriously damage the UK economy if it stops services being provided by British firms and they will be forced to move to the EU taking money out of the British economy.
 
 
 
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