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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    I agree that there should be a lot less pointless degrees out there like media studies and oddities such as underwater basket weaving and surf studies and even stuff like bookbinding?
    But how do you actually define a pointless degree? Would you appoint a committee to asses every single degree in the country? :rofl: How do you feel about Viking Studies?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    But how do you actually define a pointless degree? Would you appoint a committee to asses every single degree in the country? :rofl: How do you feel about Viking Studies?
    Something that isn't taught by Oxbridge, basically. If they don't teach it, it isn't traditional.

    Viking Studies sounds quite interesting tbf, I personally would consider it a subset of history, which is a traditional and academic subject
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Something that isn't taught by Oxbridge, basically. If they don't teach it, it isn't traditional.
    So any language Oxbridge doesn't teach isn't worth studying? And you didn't answer my Viking Studies question!
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    So any language Oxbridge doesn't teach isn't worth studying? And you didn't answer my Viking Studies question!
    Oxford teaches languages... I did, look at it again
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Oxford teaches languages... I did, look at it again
    I see, you think 'languages' can be described as a single subject? Oxford teaches English, therefore media studies and journalism aren't pointless because they arguably come under the English umbrella. I'm glad you approve of Viking Studies, a lot of people don't. :mad:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I see, you think 'languages' can be described as a single subject? Oxford teaches English, therefore media studies and journalism aren't pointless because they arguably come under the English umbrella. I'm glad you approve of Viking Studies, a lot of people don't. :mad:
    Oxford also teaches various other languages including Russian, French, Portugese, Spanish, German etc etc

    You would be hard pressed to describe 'media studies' as coming under the 'language' umbrella considering it's main focus of study is media which is more of an artsy subject than anything. Journalism is a funny one, it's almost certainly more of a pointless degree than english considering I remember seeing stats somewhere saying that english graduates are far more likely to be hired as journalists than journalism graduates themselves.

    As for Viking Studies, I'm not sure, I guess it's just a very specialised history course much like medicinal chemistry is a specialised subset of chemistry yet I doubt you would find many people saying a medicinal chemistry degree is pointless
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Just looked at Bethnal Student Living and a single room costs £219 a week on a 40-week contract. You might be happy to share a room with an 18 year old, but as a mature student, I'm not. Total cost: £8760, only about £100 cheaper than the UCL accommodation I mentioned. :rolleyes:
    Well I suggest you look again, I'm looking at it right now and you can get a 6 bedded room for £104 on a contract between 20 and 40 weeks


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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Oxford also teaches various other languages including Russian, French, Portugese, Spanish, German etc etc

    You would be hard pressed to describe 'media studies' as coming under the 'language' umbrella considering it's main focus of study is media which is more of an artsy subject than anything. Journalism is a funny one, it's almost certainly more of a pointless degree than english considering I remember seeing stats somewhere saying that english graduates are far more likely to be hired as journalists than journalism graduates themselves.

    As for Viking Studies, I'm not sure, I guess it's just a very specialised history course much like medicinal chemistry is a specialised subset of chemistry yet I doubt you would find many people saying a medicinal chemistry degree is pointless
    But there are loads of languages neither Oxford nor Cambridge teach. The Scandinavian languages, most East European languages, Swahili, Irish, Thai, Hindi etc. I hope you will agree that none of these are pointless.

    English is basically the study of ideas and culture, and so is media studies - you just come at it via a different angle. The two subjects have a lot of overlap tbh. I'm not arguing that journalism or media studies are better than English, only that they are (in my opinion, anyway) in the same family of subjects.

    Viking Studies is basically Classics for mediaeval northern Europe, it just has a far less academic sounding name. Unfortunately a lot of people judge degrees on their names rather than their content.

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    Well I suggest you look again, I'm looking at it right now and you can get a 6 bedded room for £104 on a contract between 20 and 40 weeks


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    I think you should re-read my post. I said that as a mature student I have no intention of sharing a room with anyone (let alone 5 other people), and frankly I shouldn't be expected to. Single occupancy dorm rooms are the norm in the UK, why should London be any different?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    But there are loads of languages neither Oxford nor Cambridge teach. The Scandinavian languages, most East European languages, Swahili, Irish, Thai, Hindi etc. I hope you will agree that none of these are pointless.

    English is basically the study of ideas and culture, and so is media studies - you just come at it via a different angle. The two subjects have a lot of overlap tbh. I'm not arguing that journalism or media studies are better than English, only that they are (in my opinion, anyway) in the same family of subjects.

    Viking Studies is basically Classics for mediaeval northern Europe, it just has a far less academic sounding name. Unfortunately a lot of people judge degrees on their names rather than their content.



    I think you should re-read my post. I said that as a mature student I have no intention of sharing a room with anyone (let alone 5 other people), and frankly I shouldn't be expected to. Single occupancy dorm rooms are the norm in the UK, why should London be any different?
    Languages are useful in and in of themselves though, they are very much a transferable skill on their own as opposed to say, something like philosophy which isn't useful in it's own right but may develop useful skills like critical thinking etc. Do you see the difference?

    But Media Studies and Journalism are hardly what you call well-established subjects, are they? English has been around a lot longer than journalism (as in the language itself) and is more academic. Media Studies and Journalism are more soft and vocationally based subjects and jobs than english, like photography (yes, I know I keep harping on and on about photography, I just think that as university course it is so pointless)

    I've noticed that everyone seems to assume everything ending with 'ology' is useless aswell totally forgetting that a core science subject ends with 'ology' (Biology) I have no idea where people think their medicine would have come from without biology :facepalm:
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    I wonder who has been or will be the first to blame this on a Brexit vote?
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    Universities are businesses. They don't care about you, me or anyone else, so long as they make their money. Most of the courses they offer are Mikey mouse, useless nonsense such as Korean studies or feminist studies.
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Really ashamed that my current institution is one of those that have pre-emptively announced higher fees :mad:
    Lemme guess

    Durham?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    It's not a normal debt.

    It's effectively a graduate tax of 9% on earnings over £21k. If inflation occurs then the repayment rate doesn't change (it stays at 9%), just the length of time it will take to repay the loan.

    The debt desn't affect their credit rating (although repayments do affect affordability calculations).

    A debt is a debt, no matter how its sugar coated. Its still a millstone around your neck on which to start your working life with.
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    (Original post by marco14196)
    Don't even get me started on photography degrees. No real photographer has put themselves under that guillotine. Maybe a few have but most of the prominent ones are self taught or have learnt it through practical experience through normal classes. The university system needs to go through an immense collapse. Wipe off half the universities, wipe off most of the degrees and reduce the numbers going.
    I agree but I'm convinced Universities are seen by the government (and their statistics for unemployment) as 'holding pens'.

    You leave school without a job your on the unemployment figures, leave school and get pushed into going to Uni you're immediately a relief to the statistics.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Something that isn't taught by Oxbridge, basically. If they don't teach it, it isn't traditional.

    Viking Studies sounds quite interesting tbf, I personally would consider it a subset of history, which is a traditional and academic subject
    Applied Criminology and Police Management ?
    Creative Writing ?
    Understanding Shakespeare through Performance ?
    Entrepreneurship ?
    Polar Studies ? (Snufkin )
    Real Estate ?

    All courses at Cambridge

    Diplomatic studies ?
    Cyber Security ?
    Film Aesthetics ?
    International Wildlife Conservation Practice ?
    Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy ?

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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Media Studies and Journalism are more soft and vocationally based subjects and jobs than english, like photography (yes, I know I keep harping on and on about photography, I just think that as university course it is so pointless)
    Yes, vocational degrees are pointless. Like medicine.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I think you should re-read my post. I said that as a mature student I have no intention of sharing a room with anyone (let alone 5 other people), and frankly I shouldn't be expected to. Single occupancy dorm rooms are the norm in the UK, why should London be any different?
    I did read it, my point all along has been that you don't need to spend as much as you're saying but you're choosing to. What you're doing is essentially like moaning that you clothe yourself but refusing to buy clothes anywhere other than Harrods


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    (Original post by DauntlessOne)
    Universities are businesses. They don't care about you, me or anyone else, so long as they make their money. Most of the courses they offer are Mikey mouse, useless nonsense such as Korean studies or feminist studies.
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    I can understand Durham increasing their fees but Kent and Royal Holloway?
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    this is inevitable and will happen 5 years or so depending on inflation.

    We need to overhaul the system an introduce a graduate tax.
 
 
 
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