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    (Original post by spencer11111)
    Hey Knogle, do you think Chicago is better in Economics than the LSE in actual quality? I know the perceived quality of economics at LSE is superb.
    I really can't comment on the specifics - I know too little (especially about Chicago) to do so. I'll find it hard to disagree if someone said that the Economics departments at the two universities were on equal footings. With that said, it is clear that the LSE has a better overall and international rep than its American counterpart.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    I really can't comment on the specifics - I know too little (especially about Chicago) to do so. I'll find it hard to disagree if someone said that the Economics departments at the two universities were on equal footings. With that said, it is clear that the LSE has a better overall and international rep than its American counterpart.
    I asked because of the citation count:
    http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ARWU-FIELD2007/SOC.htm
    Top 100 world universities in Social Sciences

    #2 University of Chicago
    #24 London School of Economics
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    LSE alumi, there are more notable international figures that staudied at lse
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...onomics_people
    stanford alumni,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gn_politicians
    in my opinion where i am from LSE has a better rep than stanford. especially for people who want to go into investment banking or politics.

    heres a list of ucl alumni.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._London_people

    Also its seems to me that americans have a lot more pride that brits in the uni they attended, so i bet the stanford list is more complete than the brit ones, because i can imagine someone like davtherave sitting on the internet all day editting wikipedia.
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    Davetherave went to a British university.
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    (Original post by shady lane)
    Davetherave went to a British university.
    lol dont think that was the point he was trying to make :rolleyes:

    anyhoo heres a q for you shady. What subject is stanford known for where it is untouchable in the US? how comes you didnt do your post grad degree there?
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    in my opinion the arwu rankings are not that useful, it just shows how rich a uiniversity is. hence random US universities are ranked higher than the lse.
    I personally prefer the thes rankings because it shows what other academics and employers think about the uni, and hence the reputation.

    science
    1 Cambridge University UK 100.0 7.6
    2 Oxford University UK 95.0 7.5
    3 University of California, Berkeley US 93.1 9.5
    4 Harvard University US 88.9 11.1
    5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 87.8 9.6
    6 Princeton University US 80.1 11.6
    7 Stanford University US 79.1 9.5
    8 California Institute of Technology US 73.2 11.9
    9 Imperial College London UK 72.9 6.3
    10 Tokyo University Japan 72.1 5.6
    11 ETH Zurich Switzerland 71.6 6.8
    12 Beijing University China 67.6 3.3
    13 Kyoto University Japan 66.6 4.9
    14 Yale University US 65.7 9.5
    15 Cornell University US 64.5 6.9
    16 Australian National University Australia 63.1 6.1
    17 Ecole Normale Supérieure, Paris France 60.8 6.0
    18 University of Chicago US 60.4 11.6
    19 Lomonosov Moscow State University Russia 60.1 2.0
    20 University of Toronto Canada 54.9 6.0

    Engineering
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 100.0 3.2
    2 University of California, Berkeley US 96.7 3.4
    3 Indian Institutes of Technology India 87.1 –
    4 Imperial College London UK 83.5 2.3
    5 Stanford University US 83.4 3.5
    6 Cambridge University UK 81.8 2.3
    7 Tokyo University Japan 79.3 1.8
    8 National University of Singapore Singapore 77.8 1.6
    9 California Institute of Technology US 76.4 3.9
    10 Carnegie Mellon University US 68.2 2.2
    11 Oxford University UK 67.5 3.1
    12 ETH Zurich Switzerland 67.4 2.4
    13 Delft University of Technology Netherlands 66.3 1.8
    14 Tsing Hua University China 66.0 1.1
    15 Nanyang Technological University Singapore 65.8 1.4
    16 Melbourne University Australia 64.9 2.2
    17 Hong Kong University of Sci & Technol Hong Kong 64.7 1.9
    18 Tokyo Institute of Technology Japan 64.2 –
    19 New South Wales University Australia 63.4 1.6
    20 Beijing University China 62.3 1.5

    Medicine
    1 Cambridge University UK 100.0 12.8
    2 Harvard University US 99.1 14.0
    3 Oxford University UK 95.1 13.0
    4 Imperial College London UK 83.7 9.5
    5 Stanford University US 81.8 14.4
    6 Johns Hopkins University US 76.2 11.6
    7 Melbourne University Australia 73.9 7.2
    8 Beijing University China 70.8 –
    9 National University of Singapore Singapore 70.7 5.6
    10 University of California, Berkeley US 69.6 15.0
    11 Yale University US 68.1 12.5
    12 Tokyo University Japan 67.5 9.0
    13 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 66.3 22.5
    14= Edinburgh University UK 63.6 9.6
    14= University of California, San Diego US 63.6 12.9
    16 University College London UK 60.1 9.7
    17 Kyoto University Japan 59.9 8.8
    18 University of Toronto Canada 59.7 8.9
    19 Monash University Australia 58.9 7.5
    20 Sydney University Australia 58.1 6.5

    Arts

    1 Cambridge University UK 100.0
    2 Oxford University UK 99.7
    3 Harvard University US 92.3
    4 University of California, Berkeley US 85.8
    5 Sydney University Australia 83.6
    6 Australian National University Australia 81.9
    7 Melbourne University Australia 79.9
    8 Yale University US 79.7
    9 Princeton University US 72.4
    10 Beijing University China 68.2
    11 University of Toronto Canada 65.9
    12 McGill University Canada 65.8
    13 Edinburgh University UK 64.2
    14 Columbia University US 63.9
    15 Stanford University US 62.9
    16 Paris IV — Sorbonne France 62.5
    17 University of Chicago US 61.0
    18 University of New South Wales Australia 60.6
    19 London School of Economics UK 59.9
    20 University of California, Los Angeles US 59.4

    social sciences

    1 Oxford University UK 100.0 2.6
    2 Harvard University US 98.5 4.0
    3 London School of Economics UK 94.9 –
    4 Cambridge University UK 90.8 2.4
    5 University of California, Berkeley US 89.2 3.1
    6 Australian National University Australia 85.0 1.6
    7= Stanford University US 81.2 3.2
    7= Yale University US 81.2 3.5
    9 University of Chicago US 75.3 3.5
    10 Melbourne University Australia 73.0 1.7
    11 National University of Singapore Singapore 72.2 1.5
    12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 71.5 4.0
    13 Princeton University US 69.2 3.4
    14 Columbia University US 66.2 2.8
    15 Tokyo University Japan 65.9 –
    16 Monash University Australia 64.9 1.2
    17= Peking University China 62.6 –
    17= University of Toronto Canada 62.6 2.0
    19 Sydney University Australia 62.2 2.3
    20 McGill University Canada 58.6 1.9
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    overall with the statistics

    2006
    rank 2005
    rank Name Country Peer
    review
    score (40%) Recruiter
    review
    (10%) Int'l
    faculty
    score (5%) Int'l
    students
    score (5%)
    Faculty /
    student
    score (20%) Citations /
    faculty
    score (20%)
    Overall
    score
    1 1 Harvard University US 93 100 15 25 56 55 100.0
    2 3 Cambridge University UK 100 79 58 43 64 17 96.8
    3 4 Oxford University UK 97 76 54 39 61 15 92.7
    4= 2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 81 93 11 39 42 54 89.2
    4= 7 Yale University US 72 81 45 26 93 24 89.2
    6 5 Stanford University US 82 85 9 34 32 55 85.4
    7 8 California Institute of Technology US 53 21 24 40 67 100 83.8
    8 6 University of California, Berkeley US 92 75 6 13 22 39 80.4
    9 13 Imperial College London UK 65 44 55 56 88 12 78.6
    10 9 Princeton University US 68 61 21 29 53 34 74.2
    11 17 University of Chicago US 57 67 19 30 73 17 69.8
    12 20 Columbia University US 57 64 9 32 74 17 69.0
    13 11 Duke University US 39 78 11 21 100 19 68.3
    14 15 Beijing University China 70 55 5 11 69 2 67.9
    15 14 Cornell University US 60 74 10 25 44 26 65.9
    16 23 Australian National University Australia 72 30 48 33 38 13 64.8
    17 11 London School of Economics UK 42 85 89 100 53 1 63.9
    18 24 Ecole Normale Supérieure, Paris France 46 30 22 28 69 37 63.3
    19= 22 National University of Singapore Singapore 70 44 82 47 22 8 63.1
    19= 16 Tokyo University Japan 72 29 8 10 35 27 63.1
    21 24 McGill University Canada 57 61 31 33 52 10 62.3
    22 19 Melbourne University Australia 72 44 51 36 25 7 61.6
    23 27 Johns Hopkins University US 49 37 15 20 65 29 61.3
    24 21 ETH Zurich Switzerland 51 25 84 45 44 23 59.7
    25 28 University College London UK 46 28 39 47 70 12 58.7
    26 32 Pennsylvania University US 45 64 17 26 52 22 57.8
    27 29 University of Toronto Canada 63 51 37 17 15 25 57.7
    28 62 Tsing Hua University China 45 34 22 9 84 1 56.1
    29= 31 Kyoto University Japan 61 20 15 7 44 18 56.0
    29= 36 University of Michigan US 50 61 15 19 46 15 56.0
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    TBH the points on this thread have been regurgitated countless times and I think we've all had plenty of opportunity to indicate our positions and express our views on the matter. I am in favour of locking this thread. Whomever chances upon it in the future can draw his/her own conclusions based on the posts here and fresh developments/facts as of the time of reading.
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    (Original post by IguessIwin)
    anyhoo heres a q for you shady. What subject is stanford known for where it is untouchable in the US? how comes you didnt do your post grad degree there?
    There isn't any American university that is untouchable; that was my previous point.

    In terms of what it's considered to be elite for: law, business, medicine, political science (specifically security studies), economics, engineering, education, and psychology, off the top of my head.

    I didn't stay there for postgrad because:
    1. I was ready to leave--I loved it but I'm not a California person at the end of the day
    2. The MA in International Policy Studies was done in the same department as my BA, and I had already taken 5 classes that were graduate level, with grad students in my seminars. Wouldn't really have made sense to stay on.
    3. It's important to have degrees from more than one country if you are really serious about a career in the international sector.
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    (Original post by mpat)
    overall with the statistics

    2006
    rank 2005
    rank Name Country Peer
    review
    score (40%) Recruiter
    review
    (10%) Int'l
    faculty
    score (5%) Int'l
    students
    score (5%)
    Faculty /
    student
    score (20%) Citations /
    faculty
    score (20%)
    Overall
    score
    1 1 Harvard University US 93 100 15 25 56 55 100.0
    2 3 Cambridge University UK 100 79 58 43 64 17 96.8
    3 4 Oxford University UK 97 76 54 39 61 15 92.7
    4= 2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 81 93 11 39 42 54 89.2
    4= 7 Yale University US 72 81 45 26 93 24 89.2
    6 5 Stanford University US 82 85 9 34 32 55 85.4
    7 8 California Institute of Technology US 53 21 24 40 67 100 83.8
    8 6 University of California, Berkeley US 92 75 6 13 22 39 80.4
    9 13 Imperial College London UK 65 44 55 56 88 12 78.6
    10 9 Princeton University US 68 61 21 29 53 34 74.2
    11 17 University of Chicago US 57 67 19 30 73 17 69.8
    12 20 Columbia University US 57 64 9 32 74 17 69.0
    13 11 Duke University US 39 78 11 21 100 19 68.3
    14 15 Beijing University China 70 55 5 11 69 2 67.9
    15 14 Cornell University US 60 74 10 25 44 26 65.9
    16 23 Australian National University Australia 72 30 48 33 38 13 64.8
    17 11 London School of Economics UK 42 85 89 100 53 1 63.9
    18 24 Ecole Normale Supérieure, Paris France 46 30 22 28 69 37 63.3
    19= 22 National University of Singapore Singapore 70 44 82 47 22 8 63.1
    19= 16 Tokyo University Japan 72 29 8 10 35 27 63.1
    21 24 McGill University Canada 57 61 31 33 52 10 62.3
    22 19 Melbourne University Australia 72 44 51 36 25 7 61.6
    23 27 Johns Hopkins University US 49 37 15 20 65 29 61.3
    24 21 ETH Zurich Switzerland 51 25 84 45 44 23 59.7
    25 28 University College London UK 46 28 39 47 70 12 58.7
    26 32 Pennsylvania University US 45 64 17 26 52 22 57.8
    27 29 University of Toronto Canada 63 51 37 17 15 25 57.7
    28 62 Tsing Hua University China 45 34 22 9 84 1 56.1
    29= 31 Kyoto University Japan 61 20 15 7 44 18 56.0
    29= 36 University of Michigan US 50 61 15 19 46 15 56.0

    i never trusted this ranking since they put manchester and edingborough ahead of bristol and warwick which is total BS.
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    personally it seems fair at the top end. because in the arwu surely the best unis or undergrad cant all be in the usa, this is more international, and seems to reflect reputaions. also in arwu lesser unis like ucla, wisconsin, and other random unis are better than Upenn, tokyo Uni, imperial, ucl, john hopkins, univeristy of toronto, duke, manchester, bristol...... the list goes on
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    Honestly, to a certain extent all these league rankings and ramblings about which university is more famous is ridiculous. Reputation does matter, but either more than you realize or not as much as you realize. Let's use the hypothetical example of two people going for a job (since it's always two people going for a job). One has, say, a Stanford degree and one has an LSE degree, since these seem to be bandied about quite a bit here. If one or the other gets the job over the other, it's not going to be because of where they got their degree. The guy hiring you doesn't give a crap about league rankings, probably is too busy to even look for them, and would probably think you a fool if you bring them up. What's far more important to an employer is 'can this guy do the job?' Going to a more popular university just gets a lot of 'oohs and aahs' out of people, but practically, there is little to no advantage with having a Harvard degree or a Princeton degree. Just like Oxford and Cambridge--no one gives a crap which one you went to.

    When choosing which one to go to--assuming you are looking at universities of roughly equal 'value,' then your best bet is to look for one with a location you like, a department you like, or even just which campus is prettier/dorms are nicer.
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    (Original post by shady lane)
    Hmm...to respond to this (which I'd rather not because it's just a personal attack on me and nothing to do with this thread)

    1. I never claimed an Africa fund was successful because it doesn't exist. I did research for it and it exists in nascent form, but it hasn't been running and won't be for several years. As far as Africa goes, I don't think you even want to touch that because you know nothing about it. Needless to say, the US has strategic oil interests which have led to the establishment of military forces in that region, Angola has just joined OPEC, and the commodities markets (which include products from Africa like gold and precious metals) are the hottest financial markets in the world.
    That's a first, really, that commodity markets is representative of how hot the financial market is.

    In terms for funds raised in IPOs for 2006:
    #1 Hong Kong, China
    #2 London
    #3 New York
    http://www.businessweek.com/investor...227_944762.htm
    More than any particular deal, the most important IPO news of 2006 may be that this was the year when the U.S. lost its claim as the premier location for companies looking to go public. With emerging markets booming and major exchanges such as Hong Kong and London luring the biggest deals, it will be a difficult title for New York to recover.
    Also,
    The deal value of China's three largest exchanges—Shenzhen, Shanghai, and Hong Kong (the latter was the champ for 2006 IPO value)—amounted to almost $53 billion in 2006. This beat out Britain's $48.3 billion and the $45.8 billion chalked up by the combined NYSE and Nasdaq.

    And from the figures realised for IPO activities for the first half of this year, Shanghai, China is on track to be top 3 for this year.

    For stock exchange size: According to wikipedia

    Twenty Largest Stock Exchanges by Market Capitalization as of July 12, 2007 (in trillions of US dollars)

    1. NYSE Euronext - $20.692
    2. Tokyo Stock Exchange - $4.679
    3. NASDAQ - $4.163
    4. London Stock Exchange - $4.023
    5. Hong Kong Stock Exchange - $2.124
    6. Toronto Stock Exchange - $1.985
    7. Frankfurt Stock Exchange (Deutsche Börse) - $1.973
    8. Shanghai Stock Exchange - $1.738
    9. Madrid Stock Exchange (BME Spanish Exchanges) - $1.515
    10. Australian Securities Exchange - $1.324

    I guess these are more representative of the situation than the commodity market at Africa alone.

    Lastly, these are not personal attacks, both rather just speaking things factually. At least I never call someone an idiot like someone else did a page or two back.
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    (Original post by IguessIwin)
    i never trusted this ranking since they put manchester and edingborough ahead of bristol and warwick which is total BS.
    The international ranking is based largely on research power; on those criteria, Manchester and Edinburgh considerably outstrip both Warwick and Bristol, which are pretty small universities.
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    Additional sources:
    http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...markets13.html
    Shanghai Seen As 2007 IPO Capital

    With a total of $41.7 billion raised, the Hong Kong Stock Exchange topped the world in the value of initial public offerings in 2006. Yet, Ernst & Young, the international accounting firm, forecast on Thursday that Shanghai would overtake Hong Kong for new listings in 2007.

    Among the 51 stock exchanges in the survey, Hong Kong ranked No. 1 with 15.5% market share, followed by the London Stock Exchange, with a 15.0% share. The New York Stock Exchange was third, with 10.5%.
    I have never set foot on China per se, but from the looks of it, it is on track to be a mega power soon.
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    in my opinion where i am from LSE has a better rep than stanford. especially for people who want to go into investment banking or politics.
    But you are from neither the USA or the UK, so general opinions are hardly likely to be informed. (Although obviously there will be some people in the know.) I imagine the average random on the street over here has probably not even heard of Princeton or Stanford. And definatley not UPenn or Wharton or somewhere like that.

    I dont even know how you can compare LSE to Stanford. Stanford is in a different class. Ask Shady Lane, she has attended both so is well positioned to answer.
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    (Original post by Heartbreaker)
    But you are from neither the USA or the UK, so general opinions are hardly likely to be informed. (Although obviously there will be some people in the know.) I imagine the average random on the street over here has probably not even heard of Princeton or Stanford. And definatley not UPenn or Wharton or somewhere like that.

    I dont even know how you can compare LSE to Stanford. Stanford is in a different class. Ask Shady Lane, she has attended both so is well positioned to answer.
    Princeton is pretty famous.
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    (Original post by spencer11111)
    Additional sources:
    http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...markets13.html

    I have never set foot on China per se, but from the looks of it, it is on track to be a mega power soon.
    i have set foot on china (shanghai) before i went here and i thought london would have a better skyline Anyway, London is great because of the way the old mixes in with the new. Anyway from my country everyone was talking about harvard/princeton/yale/etc american universities as the top tier ones. When someone talks about cambridge/ oxford the first impression would be that of a "posh" university. But then again thats in terms of a popularity and impression contest more than anything
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    US News rankings are pretty crap. But I would trust an FT one a fair bit to be honest.
    Yes, I agree that US News rankings are crap. They're overrated. It's not that I think ratings are useless - they can be helpful - but sometimes they're just so arbitrary to me. I just don't think, when having a discussion about how good a school is, that they should be the sole evidence that one university is better than another one, if that makes sense.

    We're just saying that amongst the Ivies, HYP are a step in front of the rest.
    This comment just made me think of something, and I was wondering if some UK students could give me their opinion. Do people in the UK, etc. know that the Ivy League is actually a sports league and that it refers to 8 schools? I was just wondering because when I was growing up, I didn't realise what Ivy meant. I just thought it referred to good schools in general, and not 8 specific schools. I really don't mean this comment to seem condescending. I'm genuinely curious! I think even a lot of Americans don't realise the distinction.
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    Do people in the UK, etc. know that the Ivy League is actually a sports league and that it refers to 8 schools?
    Of course.
 
 
 
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