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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Corbyn is moving more right as the day goes by, May is hiding where PMQs gone for an example, last one was 20th July
    Parliament always goes into recess for the summer
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Corbyn is moving more right as the day goes by, May is hiding where PMQs gone for an example, last one was 20th July
    Ah come on man everyone knows that it's the summer recess????


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    Also remember that our Labour Party is even further left than Bernie sanders who was called a communist by a lot of people and that our Conservative party is the equivalent of the American Democratic Party.

    Our center is their mainstream left
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    Also remember that our Labour Party is even further left than Bernie sanders who was called a communist by a lot of people and that our Conservative party is the equivalent of the American Democratic Party.

    Our center is their mainstream left
    I do think it's more complex than that but yes on the whole I'd say you're correct.

    In UK politics I identify centre right. In US politics I'm bang on the centre.

    Aside from perhaps the 1980s, British society has shifted to the left since the Victorian era, both socially & economically.

    In many ways I don't think it's a bad thing in the social sense - more civil rights, less racism, more acceptance of LGBT etc.
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    I do think it's more complex than that but yes on the whole I'd say you're correct.

    In UK politics I identify centre right. In US politics I'm bang on the centre.

    Aside from perhaps the 1980s, British society has shifted to the left since the Victorian era, both socially & economically.

    In many ways I don't think it's a bad thing in the social sense - more civil rights, less racism, more acceptance of LGBT etc.
    In the US I would have voted for Bernie because I believe things like the NHS are important however, I would vote for Gary Johnson if they already had an NHS.
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    Corbyn has as much chance of winning a general election as I do.
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    If the EU is held together and NuLab are still zealous remainers, they may well have ended Corbyn by then. However there is a genuine possibility of the EU ending if France votes Leave in 2017. Then I think Corbyn may start doing very well and he could, even if he doesn't win, get a very strong election result, no overall majority. Then he could pass the baton on to a young Labour left winger. The alternative is that once Brexit is certain, and the EU is over, some trade deals signed, people will feel free not to bother with UKIP, or the Tories any longer and enough would be genuinely up for a radical Labour government.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I am sure that you love the right-wing policies. How is life in austerity-laden Britain? You see things don't stack up and many of the voters really don't know how things work, but just do as they are told.

    Nobody wants a right wing government. Do you want to see how right wing the government can be, then wait until Theresa May finishes her doing.

    To your message:

    My point is the first part of the Labour Government is to remain united behind a leader. No voter will vote for any political party that looks in disarray. They will see that these politicians cannot run their party, but want to run the country.

    Hopefully, if Corbyn won the next GE. He will not push the country to the left. Not all Labour politicians are "lefties." It will be in Labour that you will get smart investments.

    Let me give you example, look at the Hinkley Point C nuclear programme that costs about £24B. This is bearing in mind that the Government slashed welfare and introduced cuts across the board. Yet, they will spend that amount on nuclear power technology that is not even safe for installation.

    What Labour needs now is to rally around their leader, Corbyn, to demand for a fairer society.
    Theresa is my local MP and I can assure you she isn't a far right, she's protrayed in a Thatcher manner becuase they have obvious similarities (female PM), but I worked in Theresa May's office just before she became PM and she cares about the little things, she cares about the community and schools, she doesn't brush off small things and certainly doesn't turn away from big challenges, I agree in government she took a right wing stance on certain issues but she isn't leading a right wing agenda. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of right wing policies especially austerity, they talk about debt on future generations but what's a reduced debt going to do when we're earning less than our previous generation and house prices are 10x more? That questing in itself says the struggles lying ahead and why we need investment. I agree no one wants a right wing govt, most people want a centre government, I was just pointing out we clearly don't want a left govt and majority of people still don't trust labour with the economy, if goes to the left preaching nationalisation they'll get a laugh as they have.

    I'd just like to point out Corbyn was said to be unelectable before the labour rebellions, it's why they rebelled, he had a huge chance from Sept-May and he blew it. You said hopefully Corbyn won't push the country to the left but that's it's movement, that's the entire plan… give Trade unions power, nationalise as much as possible and spend out of control without a clear plan. The Nuclear plant was never Theresa's favourite idea. Again, unity isn't the crisis labour is in, it's the crisis that's led to disunity. Bottom line is me and my family have been labour supporters for a long time including Gordon Brown but at this moment in time Theresa is more appealing than Labour/Jeremy.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Corbyn is moving more right as the day goes by, May is hiding where PMQs gone for an example, last one was 20th July
    Lol parliament closes for the summer. It's called a parliamentary recess, you were probably joking but I'm just slightly concerned.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Theresa is my local MP and I can assure you she isn't a far right, she's protrayed in a Thatcher manner becuase they have obvious similarities (female PM), but I worked in Theresa May's office just before she became PM and she cares about the little things, she cares about the community and schools, she doesn't brush off small things and certainly doesn't turn away from big challenges, I agree in government she took a right wing stance on certain issues but she isn't leading a right wing agenda. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of right wing policies especially austerity, they talk about debt on future generations but what's a reduced debt going to do when we're earning less than our previous generation and house prices are 10x more? That questing in itself says the struggles lying ahead and why we need investment. I agree no one wants a right wing govt, most people want a centre government, I was just pointing out we clearly don't want a left govt and majority of people still don't trust labour with the economy, if goes to the left preaching nationalisation they'll get a laugh as they have.

    I'd just like to point out Corbyn was said to be unelectable before the labour rebellions, it's why they rebelled, he had a huge chance from Sept-May and he blew it. You said hopefully Corbyn won't push the country to the left but that's it's movement, that's the entire plan… give Trade unions power, nationalise as much as possible and spend out of control without a clear plan. The Nuclear plant was never Theresa's favourite idea. Again, unity isn't the crisis labour is in, it's the crisis that's led to disunity. Bottom line is me and my family have been labour supporters for a long time including Gordon Brown but at this moment in time Theresa is more appealing than Labour/Jeremy.
    That is fair enough.

    My point is that people should calm down and critically think about their lives and society.

    To me, there is no such as a "Centre" government. There is a "Left" and a "Right." All this rubbish about "Centre-left" and "Centre-right" are plain lies. Governments either enact left-leaning policies or right-leaning policies.

    What you said about Theresa May may be true, but her actions speak otherwise. In life, it is proof by actions and not words. You cannot say that you are not racist, but then have racist actions.

    The Tories have spoken about how they want a big society and a decent life for "our" children. Then they roll out the most ruthless austerity period in decades, slash education grants for the future generation, sell the NHS, slash welfare spending and reduce spending on council housing for the poorest, while, at the same time, reduced the top rate of tax for the rich, gave themselves salary increases, turned a blind eye to tax dodging and give themselves pats on the back with Honours and sits in the House of Lords.

    My question to you and other anti-Corbyn or anti-Labour people is, "Are you better off under this Tory Government's age of austerity?"

    Yes, a Labour Government should have a control on spending and other aspects of the economy, but Owen Smith wants to start with borrowing at least £200 billion every year.

    My advice is to cut out the BS and the media frenzy plus attacks against Jeremy Corbyn and smell the coffee.

    In order to get a "Centrist" society, we need to drag the country a fair bit into the "Left." We need to solve major problems and heal the country.
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    That is fair enough.

    My point is that people should calm down and critically think about their lives and society.

    To me, there is no such as a "Centre" government. There is a "Left" and a "Right." All this rubbish about "Centre-left" and "Centre-right" are plain lies. Governments either enact left-leaning policies or right-leaning policies.

    What you said about Theresa May may be true, but her actions speak otherwise. In life, it is proof by actions and not words. You cannot say that you are not racist, but then have racist actions.

    The Tories have spoken about how they want a big society and a decent life for "our" children. Then they roll out the most ruthless austerity period in decades, slash education grants for the future generation, sell the NHS, slash welfare spending and reduce spending on council housing for the poorest, while, at the same time, reduced the top rate of tax for the rich, gave themselves salary increases, turned a blind eye to tax dodging and give themselves pats on the back with Honours and sits in the House of Lords.

    My question to you and other anti-Corbyn or anti-Labour people is, "Are you better off under this Tory Government's age of austerity?"

    Yes, a Labour Government should have a control on spending and other aspects of the economy, but Owen Smith wants to start with borrowing at least £200 billion every year.

    My advice is to cut out the BS and the media frenzy plus attacks against Jeremy Corbyn and smell the coffee.

    In order to get a "Centrist" society, we need to drag the country a fair bit into the "Left." We need to solve major problems and heal the country.
    A centre government would have a mix, it's a real thing. Blair supported private ownership which is a right wing policy but had a left wing approach to social issues and education.

    And Theresa hasn't even done anything as prime minister yet, under David Cameron I was still pro labour, its a shame Ed Miliband won over David Miliband, today's politics would be insanely different. From what Theresa has said I believe austerity is over and spending will gradually be increased across all departments. Ask yourself if you'd rather have a government that's able to function or one that still cries over the legacy of Blair in everything they do? Looking at the tories agenda isn't enough to scare me into voting for Corbyn, I like some of his policies but I dont like a lot of them and I don't like him.

    To be honest I don't even like Owen smith, I just want him to win becuase if he's challenged it'll be easy for him to be defeated. I agree with your last part but here's the thing, Corbyn isn't just talking about a shift in policy where we spend more, invest, create opportunities, etc... he's talking about an approach that's been tried and failed. People don't want trade unions to gain more power, it's not in our interest they occupy the governments time just to get more pay and do less work. It's not in our interest we spend billions on renationalising the railways, he clearly shows he's learnt no lessons from past failures. He completely ignores the fact our economy is still in recovery from 2008 and he hasn't said much on how to deal with Brexit which demonstrates his lack of leadership and lack of ideas.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    A centre government would have a mix, it's a real thing. Blair supported private ownership which is a right wing policy but had a left wing approach to social issues and education.

    And Theresa hasn't even done anything as prime minister yet, under David Cameron I was still pro labour, its a shame Ed Miliband won over David Miliband, today's politics would be insanely different. From what Theresa has said I believe austerity is over and spending will gradually be increased across all departments. Ask yourself if you'd rather have a government that's able to function or one that still cries over the legacy of Blair in everything they do? Looking at the tories agenda isn't enough to scare me into voting for Corbyn, I like some of his policies but I dont like a lot of them and I don't like him.

    To be honest I don't even like Owen smith, I just want him to win becuase if he's challenged it'll be easy for him to be defeated. I agree with your last part but here's the thing, Corbyn isn't just talking about a shift in policy where we spend more, invest, create opportunities, etc... he's talking about an approach that's been tried and failed. People don't want trade unions to gain more power, it's not in our interest they occupy the governments time just to get more pay and do less work. It's not in our interest we spend billions on renationalising the railways, he clearly shows he's learnt no lessons from past failures. He completely ignores the fact our economy is still in recovery from 2008 and he hasn't said much on how to deal with Brexit which demonstrates his lack of leadership and lack of ideas.
    I disagree. Corbyn is fighting a mutiny within his own party. How can he focus on the job at hand, when everyone wants to know what he will do about the opportunists in his Party.

    When you read about Labour Government, even during the Brexit campaign, it was about how one politician was complaining about this and that. I am not saying that democracy should not be supreme, but it is ridiculous how opportunistic some Labour politicians have become and Corbyn is right to root it out.

    Let us imagine that Owen Smith won, then he said some rubbish and then people and the media began to hate him. We will have this same rubbish all over again. Another politician will fight for leadership and it goes on and on. I hope you understand what I mean.

    Everyone knows that Corbyn is anti-EU. So accusing him for wrecking the campaign is plain stupid. Why would he support something that he is fundamentally against for many years? Surely, it shows that he is a man of conviction. He would have been accused of hypocrisy, if he came out to fiercly campaign for the pro-EU groups.

    Saying that you don't like Owen Smith, but want him to win against Jeremy Corbyn is not very good. You will want to put a man, who is a walking disaster over the Labour Party rather than the true leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

    Finally, I agree with you that if David Miliband was in charge, things would have been different. Ed Miliband stabbed his brother in the back, massively lost an election, then comes out to say that Corbyn, who has doubled the Labour membership since his election, is not a capable leader. Really?!

    Let us see how things go. Hopefully, things get better and Labour takes over in 2020 or when Theresa May decides to call an election.
 
 
 
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