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    I agree - most people are total hypocrites when it comes to the drugs issue
    they'll say "cannabis destroys your life" while sipping wine or caffeine
    they'll say "mdma will kill you" while downing some potentially deadly prescription meds, or cocodamols/paracetamols
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Why is it acceptable? What makes it any different to bigotry directed at gays?
    I'm sure someone beat me to it but perhaps because it's a choice unlike homosexuality…


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I'm sure someone beat me to it but perhaps because it's a choice unlike homosexuality…
    Yeah, i'm not convinced drug preference is a choice and drug taking isn't always a choice, going cold turkey can kill an alcoholic. Homosexuality isn't a choice, but gay sex is.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Yeah, i'm not convinced drug preference is a choice and drug taking isn't always a choice, going cold turkey can kill an alcoholic. Homosexuality isn't a choice, but gay sex is.
    It seems a bit far fetched to me that someone can be naturally predisposed to taking drugs. Taking drugs is always a choice unless someone forces you which I imagine is very rare. Going cold turkey is dangerous in some instances but there's always a choice to start taking drugs. Homosexual relationships/sex is a choice but the difference between the two choices is that gay sex doesn't harm anyone or have a negative impact on society


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    It seems a bit far fetched to me that someone can be naturally predisposed to taking drugs.
    Why? We all take drugs, always have done, always will.

    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Taking drugs is always a choice unless someone forces you which I imagine is very rare. Going cold turkey is dangerous in some instances but there's always a choice to start taking drugs.
    Maybe, but it's not the same choice for the mentally ill desperate for an escape.

    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Homosexual relationships/sex is a choice but the difference between the two choices is that gay sex doesn't harm anyone or have a negative impact on society
    Neither does the vast majority of drug use. Gay men are at increased risk of sexually transmitted infections, depression, anxiety, suicide, drug use....
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Why? We all take drugs, always have done, always will.
    Yes that's true, we don't all take illegal drugs though. I still don't see how that means some people are predisposed to taking drugs.

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    Maybe, but it's not the same choice for the mentally ill desperate for an escape.
    According to JAMA 53% of drug addicts have mental health problems, so there are still huge numbers of people who are drug addicts and don't have mental health problems.

    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Neither does the vast majority of drug use. Gay men are at increased risk of sexually transmitted infections, depression, anxiety, suicide....
    Well crime is a clear harm to society of drug use, most serious addicts cannot work to fund their habit. Other than sexually transmitted illness, none of those things are as a result of homosexual sex.


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Yes that's true, we don't all take illegal drugs though. I still don't see how that means some people are predisposed to taking drugs.
    Other than the risk of prosecution i'm not sure what difference it makes whether they are legal or not. If we're not predisposed how do you explain the fact that we pretty much all take drugs?

    (Original post by Underscore__)
    According to JAMA 53% of drug addicts have mental health problems, so there are still huge numbers of people who are drug addicts and don't have mental health problems.
    Still a large percentage.

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    Well crime is a clear harm to society of drug use, most serious addicts cannot work to fund their habit.
    Most drug users aren't serious addicts.

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    Other than sexually transmitted illness, none of those things are as a result of homosexual sex.
    Sure, maybe drug use though, poppers?
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Other than the risk of prosecution i'm not sure what difference it makes whether they are legal or not. If we're not predisposed how do you explain the fact that we pretty much all take drugs?
    You don't see why antihistamines are different to heroin? People take legal drugs to recover from illness, that doesn't mean you're predisposed, if there was an alternative that was as easy then perhaps drug use would be less common.

    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Still a large percentage.
    Yes but still a huge number of people with no mental health issue who are choosing to take drugs.

    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Most drug users aren't serious addicts.
    I think that depends on which drug you're talking about. Most cannabis users can still have a normal life, the same can't be said for heroin addicts.

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    Sure, maybe drug use though, poppers?
    I don't quite see how that harms anyone?



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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    You don't see why antihistamines are different to heroin? People take legal drugs to recover from illness, that doesn't mean you're predisposed, if there was an alternative that was as easy then perhaps drug use would be less common.
    Err no, recreational drugs, sorry.

    (Original post by Underscore__)
    the same can't be said for heroin addicts.
    It can, the dependence rate for heroin is about 25%.

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    I don't quite see how that harms anyone?
    Poppers? They can cause harm.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    drugs are a mug's game
    I don't mind herb smokers but Cocaine abuse is destroying the UK.
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    drugs are so not cool ?
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    Is "bigot" the new go-to insult, the new I wanna have a rant let's talk about "bigots"?
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    Doing drugs is a choice. If that action then starts negatively impacting your friends and family, then they are well within their right to get rid of you.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Err no, recreational drugs, sorry.
    You think we all pretty much take recreational drugs?

    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    It can, the dependence rate for heroin is about 25%.
    Have you got a source for that?

    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Poppers? They can cause harm.
    As can almost anything but poppers are legal and they aren't addictive.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    You think we all pretty much take recreational drugs?
    You have to be a little weird to be an adult that's never tried alcohol, nicotine or caffeine.


    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Have you got a source for that?
    http://www.nta.nhs.uk/uploads/danger...dh_4086293.pdf

    (Original post by Underscore__)
    poppers are legal
    Are they? i can never remember what happened with them in the psychoactive substances act.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    You have to be a little weird to be an adult that's never tried alcohol, nicotine or caffeine.
    Right, now I get what you're talking about. Firstly, I'd hardly call caffeine a recreational drug. While tobacco and alcohol kill more than heroin a far greater percentage of people die of heroin overdose, it's far more dangerous.

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    Are they? i can never remember what happened with them in the psychoactive substances act.
    They were left out of it
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Why is it acceptable? What makes it any different to bigotry directed at gays?
    Prejudism towards drug use is very stupid, but it is different to bigotry against gays because gays don't choose to be gay, so it inevitably says less about the substance of their character. Also, as someone who used to use drugs quite heavily, you have to admit that some of the fun comes from feeling like a bunch of outcasts, up against the world. It's very exciting. But it is also very bad for people who have actual drug problems. The best thing you can do is just try and change peoples' minds! But in the end, its up to them what they think. Happy drug using, don't go too far, remember that shrooms > everything, and whenever someone tells you "drugs are for mugs", point to Berlioz, who wrote his famous "Symphony Fantastique" whilst high on opium, Coleridge who wrote the "Kubla Khan" also on opium, Francis Crick who discovered the DNA double helix whilst on acid, and drug using geniuses like Baudelaire, Hunter S Thompson, William Burroughs, Ken Kesey, Jack Kerouac, Jimi Hendrix, Robert Plant, Martin Scorsese... the list is endless...
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Prejudism towards drug use is very stupid, but it is different to bigotry against gays because gays don't choose to be gay, so it inevitably says less about the substance of their character.
    Humans have an innate desire to get high, this isn't a choice but we can choose whether to take drugs or not. Sexuallity isn't a choice but we can choose whether to have sex or not. The type of people we find attractive isn't a choice, the type of drugs we enjoy isn't a choice.
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    (Original post by dingleberry jam)
    Humans have an innate desire to get high, this isn't a choice but we can choose whether to take drugs or not. Sexuallity isn't a choice but we can choose whether to have sex or not. The type of people we find attractive isn't a choice, the type of drugs we enjoy isn't a choice.
    You can 'get high' from alcohol which is legal, has virtually no stigma and is the 'drug' of choice for the vast majority of people. Acting on your desire to get high doesn't force you to break the law

    I'd also be interested to see a source for that if you have one
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    You can 'get high' from alcohol which is legal, has virtually no stigma and is the 'drug' of choice for the vast majority of people. Acting on your desire to get high doesn't force you to break the law
    Wish I could. I have crohn's, alcohol ****s me up and I never found it a particularly enjoyable drug.
 
 
 
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